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Post by johndoe on Dec 4, 2007 13:29:01 GMT -5
The entry forms for the next Mixed Trio Tournament on Saturday January 26 are up on the GPUBCA web (We need to change the date on the front page). A few of the changes that were made are: Teams can be 2 men-1 woman or 2 women-1 man, there will be 6 games with 2 position rounds and we will use a league schedule for the 6 regular games 5-point Peterson system in the regular games 10-point Peterson system in position rounds, 10-pin rule will be used, and handicap will be 80% of 220. Hope to see everyone there.
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 4, 2008 14:02:11 GMT -5
Just a bump on this topic... our next event for the GPUSBC.
Entries ARE available @ pasadenabowling.com
Format has changed some... no longer position round every game... 6 scheduled matches, with 2 position rounds (4th & 8th games) where points are doubled...
Should speed things up... I think the tournament committee came up with some great ideas to improve things as we try them out...
Download and print out your entry today and form a team...
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 25, 2008 9:52:00 GMT -5
It appears that Jack Simmons and I are going to give this Tourn. a try but we need a women bowler. If there is a women interested in bowling with us, just let me know on this site or call my Cell phone... 713-417-8611
Thanks
Jeff Clark
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Post by spktatr710 on Jan 25, 2008 16:09:44 GMT -5
Jeff - see your PM...............
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 27, 2008 10:17:34 GMT -5
Well, I missed the problems that occurred during the break between games 3 & 4. From my understanding, the bowlers did not follow the correct procedure in filling out the recap sheets. Even after numerous announcements. Plus, the Association computer appears to have problems as it crashed a couple of times.
It seems there is always something that happens that makes things crappy, when the Associaiton is involved.
We did change the way we compiled information for the 2nd set of 4 games, and that seemed to work great, the pause between games 7 & 8 was very short and was what we wanted to happen.
We ran more brackets than I have EVER done at one time... 98 for the day... my little printer is S L O W, after we finished, I hooked up the GPUSBC laser and printed the 33 scratch brackets is about 2 minutes, compared to the 7 or 8 minutes my inkjet was taking.
We trained Donna and Sherry on the Brackman and they seemed to do alright.
It was not my intent for the side pots to be paid at the end and not announced as fast as they normally are during the Latin tournaments, but, there was enough other chaos to understand why... we need to do a better job of communicating between our board members to ensure we do our jobs as best we can... there is still a little old school mentality about some aspects of tournament bowling that we tend to hang onto... many of us are used to paying tournaments off within 30 days as opposed to right away, and the tournament director INSISTS that payoffs are by check for a "paper trail" that has to be in place for USBC. I'm not sure how correct that is, but, I am merely the Prez of the Board, not the management and tournament director... I know it's not as convenient for our participants, but, I hope it's not a deterrent from future participation.
I would just like to thank our membership for supporting our tournaments... we have already run 2 trios, an all star and a mutt and jeff pro am this year, and that is alot more activity for your local association that historically it has done.
In addition, we are looking into purchasing coaching video equipment and computer programs... as we go kicking and screaming into the future as an organization involved in growing the sport of bowling by providing certified competitions and the opportunity to improve your game...
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 28, 2008 10:08:34 GMT -5
Had a great time and want to thank Christine for bowling with us. We started slow but finished up well. Ended up with 28-1/2 points and missed 4th place by 4 points.
Won 5 matches lost 2 and tied 1 game for the day. Averaged 232.25 for the 8 games.
Even though some of the bowlers didn't follow instructions, keep in mind that these forms used were new to many that bowled and there should have been Tourn. officals down in the pits after game 1 checking all the team scores and making sure they were marked properly like they did in games 4 through 8.... JMO... Never leave it up to the bowlers to make sure they do everything right. Because it was, we had to wait 1-1/2 hours between games 3 and 4.... WOW... and even then, many things were still not right and teams were not placed in the proper order for the first position round...
But all in all, still had a good time... I just hope that these scores shot by some of the handicapped bowlers will stay on file so some re-rating of bowlers can occur for the next Trio Tournament.
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 28, 2008 10:19:59 GMT -5
You make a valid point about the scoring being monitored. We had enough workers there that should have been informed to help the bowlers fill out the sheets.
It was an error on our part on preparing our workers on what may need to be done.
I have already looked into the average history for one of the 185 avg bowlers that shot 740 the 2nd set of brackets and won over $400... he has bowled travel league ONLY for the last 10 years and his 185 is his highest in several years. He has a couple of averages listed for less than 9 games in a couple of leagues and they are 220+ (one is 230+).. but those averages are from 5 years ago...
It is a case of abusing the system by using a travel league average to one's advantage.
Our Board will look into the procedures for rerating bowlers based on tournament performance and make note for future events... we definitely don't want to run off our local bowlers, but, for this tournament, we sold 18 transfer cards to new members... our local Pasadena bowlers did not support this tournament as well as they did the one in October.
On a side note, Mega Plex bowlers win again. George Haley, Manager of Mega, Charles Reichert and Lucy Aceves were the winners. Danna, Charlie Mills, and Jimbo were 2nd I think.
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 28, 2008 10:53:41 GMT -5
It's a hard thing to rerate a bowler on his first Tourn. event.... I can understand that.
But with Arm I being a higher scoring house than most other houses because they care about their bowlers and almost always have a good scorable shot out. Arm I bowlers are penalized with a truer house average for that house. Bowlers from other houses, have averages based on the house they bowl in and many more times than not, it's an average that is lower than what they would be, if they bowled at Arm I.... So bowlers from other houses for the most part get an advantage over our own house bowlers..... it doesn't seem fair to me but I don't know what can be done other than automatically raising every bowlers average 5 pins that does not have an Arm I average and possibly more for some bowlers that abuse the system.... JMO
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 28, 2008 11:02:09 GMT -5
It's the few bowlers that abuse the system that ruins it for everyone else. This has helped in the demize of handicapped event Tourns. and bowling in grneral, in my opinion. I usually don't bowl handicapped events for this reason. If it wasn't a Pasadena Assoc. event, I propbably wouldn't have bowled it.
Maybe in the future, when a 185 avg. bowler wants to get in 20 scratch brackets, they should have to have a 200+ avg. for the Tourn. before being allowed to enter them, if not then they can only get in the handicapped brackets, plus it should be a big clue to a bowlers honesty as to the actuality that their average is a true average..... I honestly feel that 200+ bowlers should not be getting into handicapped brackets.... Maybe this is something the Assoc. will consider for future events... 200 or 205 and up avg. bowlers, scratch brackets only.... 200 or 205 and down, handicap brackets only.....JMO....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 28, 2008 11:16:57 GMT -5
It's the few bowlers that abuse the system that ruins it for everyone else. This has helped in the demize of handicapped event Tourns. and bowling in grneral, in my opinion. I usually don't bowl handicapped events for this reason. If it wasn't a Pasadena Assoc. event, I propbably wouldn't have bowled it. Maybe in the future, when a 185 avg. bowler wants to get in 20 scratch brackets, they should have to have a 200+ avg. for the Tourn. before being allowed to enter them, if not then they can only get in the handicapped brackets, plus it should be a big clue to a bowlers honesty as to the actuality that their average is a true average..... I honestly feel that 200+ bowlers should not be getting into handicapped brackets.... Maybe this is something the Assoc. will consider for future events... 200 or 205 and up avg. bowlers, scratch brackets only.... 200 or 205 and down, handicap brackets only.....JMO.... That bowler got in only handicapped brackets for the first set, but we ran 22 handicap and 37 scratch brackets the first 3... then I was gone for that payoff, but, didn't notice what he won... the second set was only 6 handicap and 33 scratch brakcets. |
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 28, 2008 11:37:29 GMT -5
Maybe so..... but a true 185 average bowler is not going to take a wild chance that he is going to win money in scratch brackets and put up 100 on a hope. There was plenty of high average bowelers there 220 and up....This supposed 185 avg. bowler felt he could beat us and did on the last three games..... Now, I have no problem losing to him in scratch brackets, he bowled the scores, he earned it..... I just feel sorry for all the bowlers that had to bowl against him for the Tourn. part, when he was getting 28 pins a game on top of that 740 scratch series he shot..... that one bowler can cause many teams not to re-enter the next Trio Tourn....JMO...
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 28, 2008 11:50:53 GMT -5
After doing some more research, I looked up a tournament average (ITA keeps averages for Latin Tournaments), I'm not sure what a certified tournament can do about utilizing a non-certified average, I will have to seek guidance about that... but, said bowler in question has a 42 games tournament average of 235. Only 50 pins higher than his "book" average established in Travel League. The biggest sandbagging league in bowling history.
This is the kind of "legal cheating" I despise... I bowled in the same league as this guy when he bowled leagues... 215-220 average those days... he's improved... but, I will make every effort to ensure that our Association does not become victimized by this type of activity. IF it means requiring a local Pasadena league average so be it... we can put that in the rules... I would rather have less entries of local members than Houston bowlers or other out of town bowlers abusing the system.
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 28, 2008 12:05:57 GMT -5
It's a shame it would have to come to that but that's not a bad idea. Like I have said before, but I don't know how this could be done. But if each bowling center in Texas would a House Handicap rating system, like there is for golf coarses, this legal cheating would be less of a problem. It's a degree of difficulty rating, then averages could be automatically adjusted for the housr any particular tourn. is bowled in. Now, this does not correct this bowlers problem that was presented for this Tourn. But maybe traveling league avgerages could be excluded and if they have no otehr average but a traveling league average, then they must bowl scratch...just an idea to throw out.... if USBC would allow the Pasadena Assoc. to have that rules in our Tourns....
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 28, 2008 12:31:35 GMT -5
Sorry for the spelling errors but for some reason the site is not working properly.
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Post by XBOM on Jan 28, 2008 12:49:50 GMT -5
Well I wanted to bowl but being on a Saturday i couldn't, as my porter didn't even get to work until almost 10 p.m. I knew this would be a problem. Maybe this trio format needs to be treated like the city tournament. I haven't had a Pasadena average in a couple of years so I have to go in scratch 220. It's no big deal to me but now that I'm averaging a baby 200 it could be one day. If no Pasadena average the bowler must bowl SCRATCH! A bowler knows their capabilities and if they want to bowl they will if they want to cheat they won't. Simple. JMO, bom
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