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Post by PBAHoFer on Sept 7, 2005 14:27:59 GMT -5
well when the lanes get drier my ball speed increases. it usualy gets up to 18mph but its because my swing gets alot loser and I am able to relax through the ball alot more with more area down the lane. I agree that any thing above 17 is a waste also. But I have never been one to throw the ball fast unless I was shooting at spares, I use to throw at my spares around 26-28 mph but I have hit a few monitors with the high back swing and decided not to do it any more lol. I think at conroe,pearland and there was one other place where I use to hit them at but cant remember where that I use to always hit them. It was more to show off more than anything else, so it wasnt that big a deal for me to stop. David hang in there and give the new weight a chance, it does take a little getting use to but youll adapt to it. I got me 2 new balls last night one of wich is 14.00#'s even lol. I hope they work out for me. Ever time I drill myself a new ball I seem to have bad luck with them. Your effort to keep your speed up increases. Meaning, you have to throw the ball harder to keep the same speed down the lane. This is because of higher friction from less oil. The ball actuallys rolls instead of skidding, rolling is slower than skidding.... This is not an opinion, this is a fact..... ;D DOCTOR CLARK.... YOU ARE NEEDED IN THE BOWLING CENTER MANAGER'S OFFICE.... STAT.
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Post by screwedntexas on Sept 7, 2005 14:38:12 GMT -5
Ok well according to cats (computer aided tracking system) your ball will actual pick up speed when it begins to go from skid to roll if your axis is below 90 degrees. So that beign said drier lanes still wont make your ball speed decrease if any thing it helps pick up the speed from a few tenths.
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Post by MrPerfect on Sept 7, 2005 14:40:02 GMT -5
Ok well according to cats (computer aided tracking system) your ball will actual pick up speed when it begins to go from skid to roll if your axis is below 90 degrees. So that beign said drier lanes still wont make your ball speed decrease if any thing it helps pick up the speed from a few tenths. That is completely wrong, your ball speed slows on the backends from the dryness of the lanes on the back ends...period, no matter what your axis is.... "CAT" is just plain F**cked up wrong...lol... What you see as drive, does not mean increased ball speed, that is an illusion...
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Post by PBAHoFer on Sept 7, 2005 14:46:42 GMT -5
Ok well according to cats (computer aided tracking system) your ball will actual pick up speed when it begins to go from skid to roll if your axis is below 90 degrees. So that beign said drier lanes still wont make your ball speed decrease if any thing it helps pick up the speed from a few tenths. I concur. I have read where the high tech stuff actually speeds up as axis rotation occurs or centers or whatever.... Now perfect is trying to convince us he has a physics degree and a political science degree. Uh.... boy.................
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Post by MrPerfect on Sept 7, 2005 14:47:58 GMT -5
Ok well according to cats (computer aided tracking system) your ball will actual pick up speed when it begins to go from skid to roll if your axis is below 90 degrees. So that beign said drier lanes still wont make your ball speed decrease if any thing it helps pick up the speed from a few tenths. I concur. I have read where the high tech stuff actually speeds up as axis rotation occurs or centers or whatever.... Now perfect is trying to convince us he has a physics degree and a political science degree. Uh.... boy................. That explains it...lol... I don't have any High Tech Bowling balls.... there just over priced...lol...
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Post by MrPerfect on Sept 7, 2005 14:55:05 GMT -5
Ok well according to cats (computer aided tracking system) your ball will actual pick up speed when it begins to go from skid to roll if your axis is below 90 degrees. So that beign said drier lanes still wont make your ball speed decrease if any thing it helps pick up the speed from a few tenths. I concur. I have read where the high tech stuff actually speeds up as axis rotation occurs or centers or whatever.... Now perfect is trying to convince us he has a physics degree and a political science degree. Uh.... boy................. I think what Tech was talking about and what CAT was refering to as increased speed of a few tenths was this. They weren't saying the ball speed at 58' was greater than the speed at 30' in the oil but probably faster than the ball speed at 50 or 52' by a few tenths down the lane. This is probably possible with today's equipment....JMO...
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Post by rraquinas on Sept 7, 2005 15:35:04 GMT -5
Physics will say this...the forward roll will decrease in speed, but the total ball speed (measured by total distance covered multiplied by total time) will actually increase at the first point of friction. The reason for this is due to the dispersing of energy from the rotation of the ball. Remember all that skidding was due to kinetic energy. Now…from the laws of thermodynamics we know that energy cannot by destroyed only transferred…and kinetic energy must be transferred….as such the kenetic energy causes the ball to actually increase in speed in the initial move from skid to roll…that is why the ball looks like it increases speed when it starts moving!
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Post by PBAHoFer on Sept 7, 2005 15:55:47 GMT -5
Physics will say this...the forward roll will decrease in speed, but the total ball speed (measured by total distance covered multiplied by total time) will actually increase at the first point of friction. The reason for this is due to the dispersing of energy from the rotation of the ball. Remember all that skidding was due to kinetic energy. Now…from the laws of thermodynamics we know that energy cannot by destroyed only transferred…and kinetic energy must be transferred….as such the kenetic energy causes the ball to actually increase in speed in the initial move from skid to roll…that is why the ball looks like it increases speed when it starts moving! That's exactly what I meant, the transfer of energy from skid to roll.... coinciding with the weight block rotating into its optimal position.... Thanks Dr. Aquagirl..........
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Post by rraquinas on Sept 7, 2005 16:14:04 GMT -5
Physics will say this...the forward roll will decrease in speed, but the total ball speed (measured by total distance covered multiplied by total time) will actually increase at the first point of friction. The reason for this is due to the dispersing of energy from the rotation of the ball. Remember all that skidding was due to kinetic energy. Now…from the laws of thermodynamics we know that energy cannot by destroyed only transferred…and kinetic energy must be transferred….as such the kenetic energy causes the ball to actually increase in speed in the initial move from skid to roll…that is why the ball looks like it increases speed when it starts moving! That's exactly what I meant, the transfer of energy from skid to roll.... coinciding with the weight block rotating into its optimal position.... Thanks Dr. Aquagirl.......... No Problem...let those of use that actually know Physics, Calc, etc... take on those that don't....other wise you will get a headache!
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Post by MrPerfect on Sept 7, 2005 16:19:19 GMT -5
Physics will say this...the forward roll will decrease in speed, but the total ball speed (measured by total distance covered multiplied by total time) will actually increase at the first point of friction. The reason for this is due to the dispersing of energy from the rotation of the ball. Remember all that skidding was due to kinetic energy. Now…from the laws of thermodynamics we know that energy cannot by destroyed only transferred…and kinetic energy must be transferred….as such the kenetic energy causes the ball to actually increase in speed in the initial move from skid to roll…that is why the ball looks like it increases speed when it starts moving! That's exactly what I meant, the transfer of energy from skid to roll.... coinciding with the weight block rotating into its optimal position.... Thanks Dr. Aquagirl.......... So, does this apply to all reactive balls or only those with certain weight blocks?....Just asking..
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Post by rraquinas on Sept 7, 2005 16:46:57 GMT -5
That's exactly what I meant, the transfer of energy from skid to roll.... coinciding with the weight block rotating into its optimal position.... Thanks Dr. Aquagirl.......... So, does this apply to all reactive balls or only those with certain weight blocks?....Just asking.. It applies to all balls and there doesn't have to be a certain weight on the ball because you are talking about the potention of the rotations. Test your theory - Take a marble and roll it on a table...take the same marble and spin it heavily. When the marble begins to turn it will have a > speed than it did while skidding. Remember though...the > speed is momentary as is speed at all since gravity causes friction to slow down everything!
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Post by MrPerfect on Sept 7, 2005 17:01:59 GMT -5
So, does this apply to all reactive balls or only those with certain weight blocks?....Just asking.. It applies to all balls and there doesn't have to be a certain weight on the ball because you are talking about the potention of the rotations. Test your theory - Take a marble and roll it on a table...take the same marble and spin it heavily. When the marble begins to turn it will have a > speed than it did while skidding. Remember though...the > speed is momentary as is speed at all since gravity causes friction to slow down everything! So people that throw a lower track could see higher speed increases and those like me and others that have higher tracks could see less speed increase. Since it does matter on the rotation of your ball through the oil as to how much it is affected when it hits the dry?.... Do you know what I'm saying here?
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Post by rraquinas on Sept 7, 2005 17:10:31 GMT -5
It applies to all balls and there doesn't have to be a certain weight on the ball because you are talking about the potention of the rotations. Test your theory - Take a marble and roll it on a table...take the same marble and spin it heavily. When the marble begins to turn it will have a > speed than it did while skidding. Remember though...the > speed is momentary as is speed at all since gravity causes friction to slow down everything! So people that throw a lower track could see higher speed increases and those like me and others that have higher tracks could see less speed increase. Since it does matter on the rotation of your ball through the oil as to how much it is affected when it hits the dry?.... Do you know what I'm saying here? Sadly I need more coaching on Where what track and weight means (in terms of lower track etc...) Yes...the more weight that assists the rotation, the more of a speed increase ceteris paribus (all other things being held constant) Meaning that yes, if you throw two 16 lb. ball, at 14.5 mph, and give them both a half wrist of turn, but one has a weight that will make it get 80 RPMs (rotations per minute) and the other has a weight diferential that will make it get 70 RPMs, the one with 80 RPMs will get a higher speed increase due to a higher kinetic energy source even though everything else is the same.
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Post by MrPerfect on Sept 8, 2005 7:42:50 GMT -5
A lower track meaning the track of the ball is actually tighter or covers less area of the ball and lower tracks are usually further away from the thumb and fingers.
A higher track is usually closer to the fingers and thumb and covers a larger circumference of the ball....
Now with todays weight blocks and flaring of the track when the ball hits the dry. I'm not sure how much difference in ball reaction is actually noticed between lower tracks and higher tracks as compared to years gone by. I still want to assume that a lower tracking ball will still go a little further down the lane before driving to the pocket. But with today's equipment, I don't know for sure if that is still true?....
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Post by thedoctor on Sept 8, 2005 8:39:51 GMT -5
Bowled pretty well last night. It was only the second time that I have bowled in about 2 months, so I was happy. We had to do a make up on Monday and I only shot 609. Last night I had 246-223-225=694. And the thing that I'm really happy about is NO OPENS.
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