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Post by MrPerfect on Sept 4, 2007 13:28:11 GMT -5
I do hear what your saying and not totally in disagreement with it either.... The Assoc. does not control the shot and has to work with the Center on available dates...... But the goal in my opinion should be, what will give you more entries.... that's better for the house and the Assoc..(not being politically correct) ... Now if having this Tourn. handicapped 90% of 220 will do that.... then great.... but if having a little less handicap would draw more entries, then I feel it should be considered GPUSBC...JMO...
And that advantage is only there if that same shot is there. If there is a different shot out, then that advantage quickly becomes a disadvantage in a highly handicapped Tourn....
80% of 220 or 90% of 210 would seen more fair to me....JMO...
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Post by johndoe on Sept 4, 2007 15:45:46 GMT -5
Looks like there will be some competition for bowling the weekend of Oct. 13-14 due to the ABT tournament at the new MEGA PLEX that same weekend in the same area. Looks like the ABT had a pretty good turn out for their first tourney.
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Post by PBAHoFer on Sept 4, 2007 21:56:01 GMT -5
Looks like there will be some competition for bowling the weekend of Oct. 13-14 due to the ABT tournament at the new MEGA PLEX that same weekend in the same area. Looks like the ABT had a pretty good turn out for their first tourney. Well, the date is not set in stone os of yet, the tournament has not even been officially pitched... but, if we wait until there is no other tournaments or competitions, then we might as well just never have a tournament. I think we, as an Association, have done our fair share of rescheduling and/ or holding our tournaments with competing events, including travel leagues and tournaments on the days our tournaments were being held in the same center... If we are to become a viable group offering competition and events for our membership, we have to expect times that our memebrs will bowl something else, or choose not to bowl because they think the handicap is too high... We have to change the way our members think of us as an Association, and realize we are trying to offer more chances for them to compete in a sporting environment, and not just 3 times a year in City, Mixed City and All Star... it will take time for our members to support us, but, if offer quality competition, then the bowlers that want to bowl tournaments will support our events. Hell, you can't find a weekend in the year that doesn't have a Latin tournament somewhere, and we all know the reputations those vents have... they are non-sanctioned for the most part... the payoffs on high games and stuff are not guaranteed, and no telling how much prize fund is actually returned... Certified competiton has rules to follow on payoffs and the like, and that will be the key to attracting entries. I'm not expecting 32 teams, but, I think 12 - 14 is easily achievable... at least I hope it is...
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Post by WineUdotKing on Sept 5, 2007 7:33:58 GMT -5
Once it is set in stone with all the info, I will advertise it on Allbowling.com so others around the area can see it, too. You never know, we might get some out of town people to come in and bowl and take a mini vacation all at one time.
Of course, that's if Mr Presidente will allow me to do so...lol
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Post by MrPerfect on Sept 5, 2007 13:54:07 GMT -5
Once it is set in stone with all the info, I will advertise it on Allbowling.com so others around the area can see it, too. You never know, we might get some out of town people to come in and bowl and take a mini vacation all at one time. Of course, that's if Mr Presidente will allow me to do so...lol I could be wrong but I doubt the pay off will attract out of town bowlers. The entry fee is too low to have a pay off of any magnitude to be worth an out of town team coming to bowl. Now if it's a one day deal and dosen't start too soon in the morning... we might draw some..... but I think our chances would be better to draw these people and draw more local bowlers, if the entry fee was higher.... at least 60 to 75 dollars a person....JMO....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Sept 5, 2007 17:28:50 GMT -5
I thought the entry fee was a fair compromise on amount and potential for payback...
With $45 early entry, plus $30 individual side Scratch and handicap and Team Handicap Game awards, and then add in a chance for $5 brackets... you are talking about less than $100 and if there is a decent turnout and support, there could be lots of brackets and the game awards could be substantial.
We drove to New Braunfels and San Antonio to bowl this format several times, with the only difference being it was a flat rate $65 per bowler for tournament entry + side events extra...
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Post by spktatr710 on Sept 6, 2007 13:43:03 GMT -5
I can't go all day without adding my two cents...............
I think the Mixed Trio tournament is a wonderful idea. For the last two years, I've had many many bowlers comment on the lack of special tournaments hosted by the Association. The tournament committee is working very hard to hash around ideas and possibilities for future tournaments. It has to start somewhere. It can't be done overnight and realistically not in one year. This is a learning process AND building process. The focus for USBC is to promote the sport and the Pasadena association would like to see more 210 and under bowlers WANT to become better and WANT to compete in tournaments.
Do we want to see more scratch tournaments? YES Do we want to see more handicap tournaments? YES
We want to see ALL of it, but as Hofer stated earlier, lane scheduling, preparation, staffing, and promotion are all factors that MuST be considered. In an ideal world for tournaments, there would be no youth leagues, no travel leagues, no adult leagues and an endless sea of lanes would be at our beck & call every single weekend AND an endless line of people willing to volunteer their time to run these tournamens & brackets. We would also have hundreds of bowlers with endless amounts of time and money to participate in these tournaments.
The Mixed Trio tournament is a good start. It's different and fun with a fair/competitive format. Let's see how it goes and learn from experience. Just through word of mouth, several Board members have received a positive response regarding this format. Their response AFTER this tournament will have a great impact on future tournaments.
I would also like to thank the GPUSBCA Tournament Committee for taking the extra time out of their busy schedules to prepare and bring this particular tournament about!
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Post by PBAHoFer on Sept 6, 2007 13:53:40 GMT -5
Very true about the scheduling... just imagine throwing a wedding that costs thousands and thousands of dollars and have alot of your invitees have something "better" to do that weekend... whether it be a tournament or a football game or some other "commitment"...
I have to say I agree with spektatr... you do what you can or have the opportunity to do, and hope your membership wants to participate...
I would be more than willing to put on a scratch tournament... it would be very interesting to see just how much participation we would get... my guess is MINIMAL.
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Post by PBAHoFer on Sept 6, 2007 23:35:17 GMT -5
Well, after 1 week of competition on Thursdays my average is 203... I had a 609 series tonight... mr. p had a 600... of course, I heard from mr. p that the finish they used on the lanes is not conducive to GOOD bowlers...
There is a lot of carry down, and the house is making efforts to reduce the effects.... but I have a higher average than mr. p...
That's the bottom line biatches....
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Post by WineUdotKing on Sept 7, 2007 6:54:34 GMT -5
Well, after 1 week of competition on Thursdays my average is 203... I had a 609 series tonight... mr. p had a 600... of course, I heard from mr. p that the finish they used on the lanes is not conducive to GOOD bowlers... There is a lot of carry down, and the house is making efforts to reduce the effects.... but I have a higher average than mr. p... That's the bottom line biatches.... YOU ARE THE MAN. Nice start.
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Post by MrPerfect on Sept 10, 2007 8:47:58 GMT -5
Well, after 1 week of competition on Thursdays my average is 203... I had a 609 series tonight... mr. p had a 600... of course, I heard from mr. p that the finish they used on the lanes is not conducive to GOOD bowlers... There is a lot of carry down, and the house is making efforts to reduce the effects.... but I have a higher average than mr. p... That's the bottom line biatches.... Good bowling PBA..... No I said that I haven't heard any good comments from other bowlers from other houses (out of town that is) on that glow in the dark lane finish that Arm I and Arm II is using for their once a week Rock-n-bowlers. I don't know how long they have been using it but I do know that since both houses have been re-coated late last year, the shot has sucked... Oil carry down has been horrible and the outsides have hooked too much..... Lots of over/under reaction....JMO.. and many others to...
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Post by thedoctor on Sept 11, 2007 8:30:48 GMT -5
Strange night on the lanes last night. We did win 3 by the skin of our teeth. I went 172-210-236=618. I found out after bowling that Randy Ray changed the shot last night.
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Post by MrPerfect on Sept 11, 2007 8:41:45 GMT -5
Strange night on the lanes last night. We did win 3 by the skin of our teeth. I went 172-210-236=618. I found out after bowling that Randy Ray changed the shot last night. They are tinkering with it to try and get the scores back up to normal. Gave Jimbo some feed back of what I was seeing, he's going to make more adjustments today for tonight's league... Our pair still hooked too much outside around 6,7 & 8th boards and when I moved in, I had trouble getting my ball to turn the corner.... I had a couple of shots miss the head pin right and flush the 3 pin, if I didn't get the ball out when I was in deeper... went 191, 191, 216 for a 598.... we went 2-2....
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Post by WineUdotKing on Sept 11, 2007 9:35:14 GMT -5
Maybe he's really trying to bring the scores down to a managable level and bring some skill back into the game. If you really listen to the excuses, it sounds like people are not executing their shots properly.
An example...
"I had a couple of shots miss the head pin right and flush the 3 pin, if I didn't get the ball out when I was in deeper."
That statement tells me that you missed your mark and the lane was not as forgiving as it has been in the past. It might be a good thing if they don't fix that so called problem. Maybe the bowler needs to be more acurate. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by MrPerfect on Sept 11, 2007 9:47:18 GMT -5
Maybe he's really trying to bring the scores down to a managable level and bring some skill back into the game. If you really listen to the excuses, it sounds like people are not executing their shots properly. An example... "I had a couple of shots miss the head pin right and flush the 3 pin, if I didn't get the ball out when I was in deeper." That statement tells me that you missed your mark and the lane was not as forgiving as it has been in the past. It might be a good thing if they don't fix that so called problem. Maybe the bowler needs to be more acurate. Just my 2 cents. No... you read that wrong.... I had to cover too many boards to get a reaction to the pocket..... If I tightened my line up and covered fewer boards, the ball just reacted bad or just woudn't carry.... You have to have a skid, roll, hook ball reaction to have scorable conditions. Major skid, then going in to a hook, is not good.... I learned this from Caremen Salvino at PBA School in Akron, Ohio....before being allowed to bowl on the National Tour.... You would have had to been there and bowled on it to see what I am talking about...
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