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Post by PBAHoFer on Mar 6, 2006 17:25:41 GMT -5
Well perfect, I have to chime in...
Roger Banks had 700 in singles on your pair. Eddie Brod had 623.
Jeff Wood bowled 2 games, Mano bowled 1 game and Manny bowled 2 games on your pair.
As for your thinking you got screwed by the Association, I'll say the Association got scrwed by you. I don't care if you were bowling or not, you volunteered for service, and ran for election to that Associaiton, and you spoke not one word to me about anything other than how many brackets you wanted in for the entire weekend.
You could have shown up early, either day, entered names in the computer, or helped check in bowlers... at that time, seeing you had more bowlers on your pair than any other, you could have requested a change in lane assignments, or asked someone be moved off your pair. The tournament Director, Joe Maddox, would probably have considered your request, since you are a Director. Would he have granted your request? I don't know. But, since you chose to shun your Association ties this weekend and act like any other Joe Bowler, we will never know. For that matter, you could have stayed after bowling either day and help verify scores and/ or asked if anybody needed help doing anything else.
For the record, though, you did offer congratulations to those that bowled better than you. You then qualified your poor performance with excuses... and passing out blame to conditions, lane draw, crummy approaches... no house shot, the shot was "different"... face it, you didn't make the adjustments necessary, and would rather blame others around you and other factors for your poor bowling.
When it happens @ Nationals, you blame it on yourself... when it happens locally, it's everybody elses's fault EXCEPT your own.
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 6, 2006 17:36:18 GMT -5
Well perfect, I have to chime in... Roger Banks had 700 in singles on your pair. Eddie Brod had 623. Jeff Wood bowled 2 games, Mano bowled 1 game and Manny bowled 2 games on your pair. As for your thinking you got screwed by the Association, I'll say the Association got scrwed by you. I don't care if you were bowling or not, you volunteered for service, and ran for election to that Associaiton, and you spoke not one word to me about anything other than how many brackets you wanted in for the entire weekend. You could have shown up early, either day, entered names in the computer, or helped check in bowlers... at that time, seeing you had more bowlers on your pair than any other, you could have requested a change in lane assignments, or asked someone be moved off your pair. The tournament Director, Joe Maddox, would probably have considered your request, since you are a Director. Would he have granted your request? I don't know. But, since you chose to shun your Association ties this weekend and act like any other Joe Bowler, we will never know. For that matter, you could have stayed after bowling either day and help verify scores and/ or asked if anybody needed help doing anything else. For the record, though, you did offer congratulations to those that bowled better than you. You then qualified your poor performance with excuses... and passing out blame to conditions, lane draw, crummy approaches... no house shot, the shot was "different"... face it, you didn't make the adjustments necessary, and would rather blame others around you and other factors for your poor bowling. When it happens @ Nationals, you blame it on yourself... when it happens locally, it's everybody elses's fault EXCEPT your own. You are entitled to your opinion and if that's how you see it, then there's nothing I can say that would change your mind. I didn't realize Roger shot so well in singles, he was the only one on our pair...My shot dissappeared...maybe what was needed to shoot well on that condition in not in my capability... who knows.... I didn't say anything or make a big deal about it at the time because I didn't want to be causing problems and seem like a complainer or biatch with us having 4 doubles teams on our pair.... but if one doubles team moved, then someone else would have had 4 teams on their pair and that wounldn't have been right either.... As far as the Assoc. I'm not going to get onto that subject out in the open on the Forum. If you want to ask me in private, I can give you an answer...
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Post by PBAHoFer on Mar 6, 2006 17:47:54 GMT -5
Well perfect, I have to chime in... Roger Banks had 700 in singles on your pair. Eddie Brod had 623. Jeff Wood bowled 2 games, Mano bowled 1 game and Manny bowled 2 games on your pair. As for your thinking you got screwed by the Association, I'll say the Association got scrwed by you. I don't care if you were bowling or not, you volunteered for service, and ran for election to that Associaiton, and you spoke not one word to me about anything other than how many brackets you wanted in for the entire weekend. You could have shown up early, either day, entered names in the computer, or helped check in bowlers... at that time, seeing you had more bowlers on your pair than any other, you could have requested a change in lane assignments, or asked someone be moved off your pair. The tournament Director, Joe Maddox, would probably have considered your request, since you are a Director. Would he have granted your request? I don't know. But, since you chose to shun your Association ties this weekend and act like any other Joe Bowler, we will never know. For that matter, you could have stayed after bowling either day and help verify scores and/ or asked if anybody needed help doing anything else. For the record, though, you did offer congratulations to those that bowled better than you. You then qualified your poor performance with excuses... and passing out blame to conditions, lane draw, crummy approaches... no house shot, the shot was "different"... face it, you didn't make the adjustments necessary, and would rather blame others around you and other factors for your poor bowling. When it happens @ Nationals, you blame it on yourself... when it happens locally, it's everybody elses's fault EXCEPT your own. You are entitled to your opinion and if that's how you see it, then there's nothing I can say that would change your mind. I didn't realize Roger shot so well in singles, he was the only one on our pair...My shot dissappeared...maybe what was needed to shoot well on that condition in not in my capability... who knows.... I didn't say anything or make a big deal about it at the time because I didn't want to be causing problems and seem like a complainer or biatch with us having 4 doubles teams on our pair.... but if one doubles team moved, then someone else would have had 4 teams on their pair and that wounldn't have been right either.... As far as the Assoc. I'm not going to get onto that subject out in the open on the Forum. If you want to ask me in private, I can give you an answer... I'm willing to talk to any of our Directors about anything at any time. I want our Association to do the best job it can, for our membership. I realize I cannot compare other's committment, based on my own level... but, I can apply my expectations on others, and there are many on the Board that don't meet my expectations... including my brother. We are lucky there was less problems than what there was, especially with only 3 Association officials there that were not bowling. Gretchen is pregnant and has been ill, Bobby Browder is on a shut down at his work and is not even able to bowl. As for others that weren't there to help, I don't know, I have not heard from anyone. All I'm saying is there were Officers and Directors that asked if there was anything to do, and in many circumstances, there was not enough to do... but they asked, and they announced they were leaving if nobody needed anything. And some didn't. Meanwhile, those of us that busted I disagree for 2 full days, sit around and read how f**ked up our Association is because we had 4 couples on 1 pair of lanes, and we are incapable of handling a lane change between doubles and singles. It really is a thankless job... but, many appreciate our efforts.
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 6, 2006 17:55:06 GMT -5
Why is it, we don't change lanes between Double's and Single's? It's not like us bowlers are not use to it. We do it at State and Nationals and in other Cities, City Tourns.... That does give people that get a good draw on lanes an advantage over those that don't get a good draw. At least you would only be stuck on that pair for 3 games instead of 6..... We all know that each house has some pairs that are better than others... I just don't understand why we don't....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Mar 6, 2006 18:02:15 GMT -5
Rule 3, Texas State Bowling Association 2006 entry form:
Team event will be bowled on 1 pair of lanes. Minor events will be bowled on 1 pair of lanes, singles first then doubles.
Locally, we bowl doubles first because we only allow singles to be bowled once. Therefore, if there are re-entries, and one has to continue with singles, the doubles partner can drop off. And there is no practice between doubles and singles, so it would be unfair to expect a bowler to come in and bowl with no practice.
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 6, 2006 18:04:38 GMT -5
Rule 3, Texas State Bowling Association 2006 entry form: Team event will be bowled on 1 pair of lanes. Minor events will be bowled on 1 pair of lanes, singles first then doubles. Locally, we bowl doubles first because we only allow singles to be bowled once. Therefore, if there are re-entries, and one has to continue with singles, the doubles partner can drop off. And there is no practice between doubles and singles, so it would be unfair to expect a bowler to come in and bowl with no practice. When did Texas State change their rules on this?.... They didn't use to do it that way.... maybe that's just another reason why I don't bowl State any more either... As you know, I don't like the idea of allowing re-entries in Team and Doubles in our City Tourn. either.....At least I hope the extra money generated from those re-entries, stay in the Team and doubles pay off and not any portion there of to go to Singles or All-Events....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Mar 6, 2006 18:05:20 GMT -5
Why is it, we don't change lanes between Double's and Single's? It's not like us bowlers are not use to it. We do it at State and Nationals and in other Cities, City Tourns.... That does give people that get a good draw on lanes an advantage over those that don't get a good draw. At least you would only be stuck on that pair for 3 games instead of 6..... We all know that each house has some pairs that are better than others... I just don't understand why we don't.... What would happen if you drew a good pair for the first 3, and then MOVED to one of the bad pairs.... Oh, I know; you'd complain about it, and add it to your excuse for not winning list. #nutkick# #doghouse#
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Post by PBAHoFer on Mar 6, 2006 18:09:38 GMT -5
Many of these considerations are based on the amount of time it adds to the day, if you do move pairs.
George Bishop discussed that with us about the Mixed State rules. Running 3 squads a day, usually full house squads, it adds time... as it is rare for both pairs to be ready to move at exactly the same time, not to mention, nobody listens to announcements, and you are asked 1,000 times a day what pair you are moving to...
Of course, time concerns are really only important to the volunteers that have committed their weekends for 6 weeks to running this presitigious event. The bowlers are on vacation, they don;t care if they are there an extra hour or so...
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 6, 2006 18:18:03 GMT -5
Why is it, we don't change lanes between Double's and Single's? It's not like us bowlers are not use to it. We do it at State and Nationals and in other Cities, City Tourns.... That does give people that get a good draw on lanes an advantage over those that don't get a good draw. At least you would only be stuck on that pair for 3 games instead of 6..... We all know that each house has some pairs that are better than others... I just don't understand why we don't.... What would happen if you drew a good pair for the first 3, and then MOVED to one of the bad pairs.... Oh, I know; you'd complain about it, and add it to your excuse for not winning list. #nutkick# #doghouse# Actually, no....that is what I'm use to doing....moving pairs for Singles.... and moving onto bad pairs is part of the game....it's something we all have to deal with. Most of the problems at Diamond this weekend had more to do with the house, not the Assoc.... If the houses can't think enough of our City Tourn. as in making sure the A/C works properly, making sure the approaches are clean, making sure the normal house shot is out there...... then how can we expect the bowlers to show up and want to bowl. If their going to think that little of us, then we're going to think that little of the City Tourn....JMO.........We keep getting less and less entries into our City Tourn. and can anyone put their finger on why this is?.... The houses say it's not them, the Assoc. say it's not their fault....so nothing will change and the entries will keep going down.....JMO...
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 6, 2006 18:22:38 GMT -5
Many of these considerations are based on the amount of time it adds to the day, if you do move pairs. George Bishop discussed that with us about the Mixed State rules. Running 3 squads a day, usually full house squads, it adds time... as it is rare for both pairs to be ready to move at exactly the same time, not to mention, nobody listens to announcements, and you are asked 1,000 times a day what pair you are moving to... Of course, time concerns are really only important to the volunteers that have committed their weekends for 6 weeks to running this presitigious event. The bowlers are on vacation, they don;t care if they are there an extra hour or so... Man do I cringe at the thought of all the things that are going to go wrong at Diamond during this Tourn...machines, A/C, Approaches.... thank god I won't be on the board during this fiasco at Diamond and especially if I was helping out at Diamond....what a nightmare that's fixing to happen there....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Mar 6, 2006 18:32:40 GMT -5
Well, sanctioned membership drops every year.
Tournament participation drops every year on just about every tournament except for Nationals. But, I expect that trend to change soon... with membership numbers declining every year, eventually, every bowler with any interest in going will have been, see they have no chance to compete, since they are not on their strike at will home shot, and they have ZERO chance of winning. The entries HAVE to decline soon. There is not much prestige in shooting 1400, coming home and having to explain why....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Mar 6, 2006 19:07:06 GMT -5
Many of these considerations are based on the amount of time it adds to the day, if you do move pairs. George Bishop discussed that with us about the Mixed State rules. Running 3 squads a day, usually full house squads, it adds time... as it is rare for both pairs to be ready to move at exactly the same time, not to mention, nobody listens to announcements, and you are asked 1,000 times a day what pair you are moving to... Of course, time concerns are really only important to the volunteers that have committed their weekends for 6 weeks to running this presitigious event. The bowlers are on vacation, they don;t care if they are there an extra hour or so... Man do I cringe at the thought of all the things that are going to go wrong at Diamond during this Tourn...machines, A/C, Approaches.... thank god I won't be on the board during this fiasco at Diamond and especially if I was helping out at Diamond....what a nightmare that's fixing to happen there.... I took no official complaints concerning the machines OR approaches. I know we did not have to move anyone due to machine problems. I did hear complaints about how warm it was, and about having a dress code. As per usual, all concerns will be noted and addressed by the tournament committee. If anyone noticed, one concern from last year was using the end pair of lanes and controversy concerning lane assignments and using the end pair. 1-2/ 31-32 are the breakdown lanes, and are only going to be used in event of mechanical failure. I did hear a complaint from a Diamond employee that we weren't using the end pair, and that meant we had an open pair on each side of the tournament they could not use for open play.
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Post by lucky on Mar 6, 2006 21:24:09 GMT -5
Wow, don't come around bowling for awhile and you see nothing changes. Perfect still putting the efforts of others down, with his complaints that they got lucky because of the lanes drawn. Did you just copy your post from last year and just change the names?
Congrats to Jr. and the Jiggle. Good bowling on such a bad shot, bad approaches and a hot house. They must have had something that no one else had according to Perfect.
In my opinion, it is because of people like Perfect that keeps people from trying to bowling anything other than a beer and pizza/nascar or rookie bowler league. Who wants to bowl something that has someone like perfect putting them down all the time.
Thank you and see you next year.
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Post by PBAHoFer on Mar 6, 2006 23:27:40 GMT -5
perfect did tell me tonight he was venting and frustrated at not being able to finish out like he would have liked in the tournament.
I think that with the high standards perfect sets for himself, and I hate to admit, he usually achieves what he says he's gonna do... but when he falls short, he does have a tendency to blame other factors... instead of taking the blame... it's like he'll take all the glory, but none of the fault for failure...
And, many of us take various amounts of pleasure in seeing him fall short...
But all in all, he's a decent guy... and he deserves to pout and vent... for a day...
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Post by Homersan on Mar 7, 2006 0:17:36 GMT -5
Congrats Jr. and BigChewy....Also nice bowling XBom!
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