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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 7, 2007 16:12:45 GMT -5
Just wanted everyone to know that the deadline for entries is Feb. 17th, not this Saturday but the next.... Bowl March 3rd & 4th and March 10th & 11th. Entry fee for everything, Team, Doubles, Singles and All-Events is 60.00.... Personally, I think the Assoc. needs to raise the entry fees per event to 20.00 for each event in lieu of the 18.00 per event now and raise All Events to 10.00, total of 70.00 dollars...JMO.... I'm sure eventually, the houses are going to go up on lineage and the small increase in prize fund would be nice. I don't think a 10.00 increase will keep anyone from bowling. At least I hope the Assoc. will talk about it for next year.....again, just my opinion...
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Post by XBOM on Feb 8, 2007 6:08:52 GMT -5
Just wanted everyone to know that the deadline for entries is Feb. 17th, not this Saturday but the next.... Bowl March 3rd & 4th and March 10th & 11th. Entry fee for everything, Team, Doubles, Singles and All-Events is 60.00.... Personally, I think the Assoc. needs to raise the entry fees per event to 20.00 for each event in lieu of the 18.00 per event now and raise All Events to 10.00, total of 70.00 dollars...JMO.... I'm sure eventually, the houses are going to go up on lineage and the small increase in prize fund would be nice. I don't think a 10.00 increase will keep anyone from bowling. At least I hope the Assoc. will talk about it for next year.....again, just my opinion... Hey perfect just look at Houston for an example. I know they went kinda exrtreme last year and raised entries to $100 a person and they only had 20 or 30 teams TOTAL!!!!!!!!!! We barely get get that now allowing reentries!!!!!!!!!! Suck it up stay bowling for money in the SASBA events and bowl city tournaments for the prestige and the noteriety of being a CITY CHAMPION in ALL EVENTS and having your name hanging up at both centers for a year!!!!!!!!!!! OH I forgot you don't know what that feels like!!!!!!!!!!!!! #thcheerleader# #nutkick# #nutkick# #nutkick# #nutkick# #nutkick#
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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 8, 2007 8:56:39 GMT -5
Honestly, I feel 100.00 is too much and Houston has screwed up it's City Tourn. by handicapping the Divisions...... City Tourns. in our area are not what they once were and I still don't like having re-entries....JMO.... If it's about prestige, then why allow re-entries? You get one pop at each event and that's it, if you want prestige as far as Team and Doubles....IMO....
I haven't won Pasadena's All-Events yet, I have finished 2nd two or three times over the years....But I have won Texas Mixed State All-Events with a score in the two Pasadena houses that was higher than James Long Jr's City Record All-Events score he shot last year....I had 2274 for 9 games in Mixed State, Jr. had a 2265 last year in City... and I guarantee you I have felt the sweetness of victory in bowling many more times than you ever have....So get over yourself...lol...
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Post by PBAHoFer on Feb 8, 2007 10:33:23 GMT -5
Honestly, I feel 100.00 is too much and Houston has screwed up it's City Tourn. by handicapping the Divisions...... City Tourns. in our area are not what they once were and I still don't like having re-entries....JMO.... If it's about prestige, then why allow re-entries? You get one pop at each event and that's it, if you want Prestige as far as Team and Doubles....IMO.... I haven't won Pasadena's All-Events yet, I have finished 2nd two or three times over the years....But I have won Texas Mixed State All-Event with a score in the two Pasadena houses that was higher than James Long Jr's City Record All-Events score he shot last year....I had 2274 for 9 games in Mixed State, Jr. had a 2265 last year in City... and I guarantee you I have felt the sweetness of victory in bowling many more times than you ever have....So get over yourself...lol... Houston has an entire different set of circumstances to consider when they try to attract entries to their tournament. With 8,000 or 9,000 members they must try to appeal to a variety of special interests to get participation. Houston has tried to attract more entries by offering Opoional "scratch" divisions, but in my opinion this only dilutes the prize funds for all participants and makes bowlers not want to enter... 1 place cashed in "scratch" Division 1 Team Event at their most recent tournament... that is not something to be proud of if I was in Houston... on the southside of town, I know the House Reps do a great job of promoting Houston events and activitiies... but the bottom line is bowling membership drops every year and local participation in tournaments is low all across the country. The National Tournament is for some reason enjoying increased particiaption, but that trend cannot continue... it will eventually drop unless they go to a city with major side attractions for entrants to enjoy. Personally, I prefer Scratch by Division (Division based on bowler's average), with a 10-pin rule in place. It really becomes a pins over average tournament at that point, which may as well be a 100% handicap from 300... all that changes is the numbers, but that seems to be the most fair. Bowlers are grouped together based on their abilities... and division 1 bowlers are not having to compete with the lower averages that have the chance to bowl much higher over their average. Especially on soft conditions. Now, as for re-entries... Traditional Rules always allowed for re-entry in Team Events if 2 bowlers were switched out... usually limited to a bowler competing 2 times. Singles and doubles were one entry only, and first team event score was all that was used to compute all Events score. All Events "Prize Money" is an optional entry. All Events "City Champion" is determined by the bowler that scores the highest 9 game (1st 3 games in each event) total SCRATCH. A bowler from ANY division may win this award. If a bowler does not pay his optional All Events entry fee, they are eligible for the award and chevron only. In Pasadena, bowlers may re-enter the Team and Doubles portion of the tournament, and may enter singles only one time. There are a total of 4 Team Event Squads and 4 Doubles/ Singles Squads. Brackets and side pots are offered as a way to supplement tournament pay-off and increase interest in participation. Most bowlers bowl a team or 2 and 1 or 2 times in doubles. This increases Prize fund and allows bowlers to compete with more than just 1 friend or teammate. There is still plenty of prestige involved in winning an event in the Pasadena torunament, just as there is the prestige associated by being elected into the Pasadena Bowling Hall of Fame. As I attended Houston's Hall of Fame dinner last weekend, I was impressed with the number of their group that came up to Sunday and congratulated her on being inducted into our Hall of Fame and how deserving she was... there was no mention of it being "only" Pasadena's Hall of Fame and not Houston or State... As I have mentioned before.. I buy into USBC's principles of not apologizing for what we offer our membership. Mixed State offered re-entries and you crow on here about your win like it was USBC Nationals.
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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 8, 2007 10:46:43 GMT -5
If Mixed State offered it, I was unaware of it and besides, I didn't re-enter twice. I bowled each event once and that was it. And the crowing was in response to Xboms post and direct comments he made towards me. I didn't start it and did nothing to warrant that post of his....that was the only reason I brought it up.....
And I didn't say the re-entries took all the prestige out of the accomplishment, I only meant, I felt it reduce it a little and that it was my opinion alone....I am entitled to it. Of coarse you are entitled to respond but I don't think you have to defend Pasadena's format because of what I feel, unless you feel what I say swings other bowlers opinions....
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Post by XBOM on Feb 8, 2007 10:58:31 GMT -5
Honestly, I feel 100.00 is too much and Houston has screwed up it's City Tourn. by handicapping the Divisions...... City Tourns. in our area are not what they once were and I still don't like having re-entries....JMO.... If it's about prestige, then why allow re-entries? You get one pop at each event and that's it, if you want prestige as far as Team and Doubles....IMO.... I haven't won Pasadena's All-Events yet, I have finished 2nd two or three times over the years....But I have won Texas Mixed State All-Events with a score in the two Pasadena houses that was higher than James Long Jr's City Record All-Events score he shot last year....I had 2274 for 9 games in Mixed State, Jr. had a 2265 last year in City... and I guarantee you I have felt the sweetness of victory in bowling many more times than you ever have....So get over yourself...lol... Yes perfect we all know how good you bowled in mixed State this past year!!! I'm sure somewhere some hot shot bowler is saying yeah that's pretty good now do it in Men's State or USBC Nationals !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So you beat a bunch of mixed league bowlers. Don't you do that on Thursday on a weekly basis!!! Your averaging 23?. I know you carried it this far!!!! The reason you haven't won a city championship yet is because your office doesn't have a place to hang the trophy!!! Maybe you need to get rid of the old stuff and make room for some new awards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I was really only goading you on my post!!!!!!!!!!! Man your an easy target!!!!!!! Gotta go to work>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later #nutkick#
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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 8, 2007 11:08:58 GMT -5
Honestly, I feel 100.00 is too much and Houston has screwed up it's City Tourn. by handicapping the Divisions...... City Tourns. in our area are not what they once were and I still don't like having re-entries....JMO.... If it's about prestige, then why allow re-entries? You get one pop at each event and that's it, if you want prestige as far as Team and Doubles....IMO.... I haven't won Pasadena's All-Events yet, I have finished 2nd two or three times over the years....But I have won Texas Mixed State All-Events with a score in the two Pasadena houses that was higher than James Long Jr's City Record All-Events score he shot last year....I had 2274 for 9 games in Mixed State, Jr. had a 2265 last year in City... and I guarantee you I have felt the sweetness of victory in bowling many more times than you ever have....So get over yourself...lol... Yes perfect we all know how good you bowled in mixed State this past year!!! I'm sure somewhere some hot shot bowler is saying yeah that's pretty good now do it in Men's State or USBC Nationals !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So you beat a bunch of mixed league bowlers. Don't you do that on Thursday on a weekly basis!!! Your averaging 23?. I know you carried it this far!!!! The reason you haven't won a city championship yet is because your office doesn't have a place to hang the trophy!!! Maybe you need to get rid of the old stuff and make room for some new awards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I was really only goading you on my post!!!!!!!!!!! Man your an easy target!!!!!!! Gotta go to work>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later #nutkick# Well I did beat other scratch bowlers like: Johnathon Wiley Charley Mills Manny Garcia Clarence McQueen Randy Ray Are those the typical league bowlers your talking about? And if everyone knew how well I bowled in that Tourn. here at home and won the All-Star Tourn. here at home all just before this last years Pasadena Hall of Fame Voting and still didn't get it, I wonder what the voters do know and what it takes bowling wise to impress them?
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Post by PBAHoFer on Feb 8, 2007 12:11:19 GMT -5
Yes perfect we all know how good you bowled in mixed State this past year!!! I'm sure somewhere some hot shot bowler is saying yeah that's pretty good now do it in Men's State or USBC Nationals !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So you beat a bunch of mixed league bowlers. Don't you do that on Thursday on a weekly basis!!! Your averaging 23?. I know you carried it this far!!!! The reason you haven't won a city championship yet is because your office doesn't have a place to hang the trophy!!! Maybe you need to get rid of the old stuff and make room for some new awards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I was really only goading you on my post!!!!!!!!!!! Man your an easy target!!!!!!! Gotta go to work>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later #nutkick# Well I did beat other scratch bowlers like: Johnathon Wiley Charley Mills Manny Garcia Clarence McQueen Randy Ray Are those the typical league bowlers your talking about? And if everyone knew how well I bowled in that Tourn. here at home and won the All-Star Tourn. here at home all just before this last years Pasadena Hall of Fame Voting and still didn't get it, I wonder what the voters do know and what it takes bowling wise to impress them? Those facts were presented to the Hall of Fame membership prior to voting and they had those accomplishments at their disposal to use when judging the candidate's accomplishments. Maybe the fact that you are even able to, and have the gall to question a Hall of Fame member's knowledge and credibility is all they really need to know before casting their ballot?? Don't worry perfect, I have no doubt you will be a Hall of Fame member some day... I only hope you are then able to take the "institution" into consideration when you cast your ballot instead of your usual take on things which involves only a selfish, how does it affect me personally outlook on things. We had 27 or 28 Hall of Fame members voting this year... nearly double the number that has voted the last several years when only the Board members voted... the experience and dedication to Pasadena bowling and the Hall of Fame tradition these members brought to the voting booth should not be questioned or dismissed. The fact that you continue to denegrate every group that fails to recognize you for Hall of Fame membership may explain everything you need to know... How can you continue to question the voter's intelligence and knowledge of accomplishments without expecting them to hold you attitude against you? And do you really think blind ballots would be the answer? I mean you have more than the accomplishments and credentials to be elected, but, do you want to get in without your name associatied with your accomplishment? And what about the 6 men that have been elected instead of you? Boudny, Parnell, Mano, Brod, Banks and Mills are more than qualified themselves. You continue to fault the Hall of Fame for choosing to recognize the accomplishments of these bowlers instead of you? How can the Hall of Fame be faulted for recognizing their achievements? They are QUITE impressive in and of themselves, even without comparing them to yours...
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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 8, 2007 12:27:07 GMT -5
If mine are as good as there's, then I have paid my dues. There are some that have gotten in on first or second try of recent years and I have been passed over 3 times. And me and Jimmy Young are the only ones that have multiple State Titles, to my knowledge, no one in The Hall of Fame or even coming in this year have even one at all......
But as you have said yourself before, there is politics involved and who's friends with who. Charley Mills and Roger are both worthy and friends of mine, it just seems that Jimmy Young and I are then ones having to put in the longer waiting period than some others with lesser achievements...JMO... But that's ok, I will wait, I will get in one year. Like I've said before, I know that Roger and Charley will be voting me in as there #1 pick next year and hopefully others will as well...At least they know I am just as good and deserving as them. They should, I'm out averagering them both this year and last at Arm I and Arm II.... I do have the highest average in the league in all three league I bowl and all three of them are 230 and up and I am older to.....lol..... ;D
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Post by PBAHoFer on Feb 8, 2007 13:00:56 GMT -5
If mine are as good as there's, then I have paid my dues. There are some that have gotten in on first or second try of recent years and I have been passed over 3 times. And me and Jimmy Young are the only ones that have multiple State Titles, to my knowledge, no one in The Hall of Fame or even coming in this year have even one at all...... But as you have said yourself before, there is politics involved and who's friends with who. Charley Mills and Roger are both worthy and friends of mine, it just seems that Jimmy Young and I are then ones having to put in the longer waiting period than some others with lesser achievements...JMO... But that's ok, I will wait, I will get in one year. Like I've said before, I know that Roger and Charley will be voting me in as there #1 pick next year and hopefully others will as well...At least they know I am just as good and deserving as them. They should, I'm out averagering them both this year and last at Arm I and Arm II.... I do have the highest average in the league in all three league I bowl and all three of them are 230 and up and I am older to.....lol..... ;D Jimmy Young also got on the microphone at Armadilla I last year and publicly called out the Hall of Fame voting process and one man in particular that he has a running feud with... and stated as long as that person was in the Hall of fAme it was more than OK with him if he never got in... He did this over the PA system @ Armadilla I on a Tuesday night... with mulitple Board members and Hall of Fame members in attendance. You should be careful aligning yourself being overlooked and comparing it to Jimmy Young. Of course, you blame it on the "politics" of the entire situation... what do you call it by stating you have two incoming Hall of fame mebers promising ou their #1 vote for next year? Is that not politics as well? I have heard on more than one occasion, and from persons not even eligible for the Hall of Fame that they couldn't even imagine what your acceptance speech would be like... lol I guess you could have your platform to let us all know how it was good we finally came to our senses and decided to recognize your grand achievements... and it could set a precedent for televised Hall of Fame ceremonies as I'm sure you could contact the local TV Stations to come witness the coronation of the greatest in the land....
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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 8, 2007 14:20:48 GMT -5
Actual, no... I would be gracious and thankful and not derogatory towards anyone.....I understand your position but try to understand mine. I have been overlooked three years in a row.....I don't think that you truly know how that feels, especially knowing how good I am and what I have achieved. When I see some people that are in the Hall of Fame (from years ago that aren't even good enough to carry my bowling bags).... I've out average them a ton, in league, in City, in State and at Nationals and have the only honor score in Pasadena shot on in the Sport league and have had the highest avg. in that league both years, even though I wasn't recognized for this year because I only bowled 6 or 12 weeks.... but anyways, I have proven myself MORE than worthy.
As far as Jimmy Young, that was wrong on his part but I can also understand is pain. When members of a voting body decide to put their personal feelings ahead of credentials alone, it will make it hard for that deserving person to stay quiet and not feel like they got screwed and expecting them to sit back and take it is just plain wrong. They will speak up about it and it's usually in a negative manner. Do you honestly think that Charley Mills had good things to say about the Pasadena Assoc. in the year or two he got looked over? Well I can tell you, I talked to him about it, it WASN'T..... but I'm sure he will be nothing but nice and congratuatory when he makes his speech at the Banquet. But for some reason you think I won't.... how little you must think of me...
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Post by PBAHoFer on Feb 8, 2007 14:33:05 GMT -5
Actual, no... I would be gracious and thankful and not derogatory towards anyone.....I understand your position but try to understand mine. I have been overlooked three years in a row.....I don't think that you truly know how that feels, especially knowing how good I am and what I have achieved. When I see some people that are in the Hall of Fame (from years ago that aren't even good enough to carry my bowling bags).... I've out average them a ton, in league, in City, in State and at Nationals and have the only honor score in Pasadena shot on in the Sport league and have had the highest avg. in that league both years, even though I wasn't recognized for this year because I only bowled 6 or 12 weeks.... but anyways, I have proven myself MORE than worthy. As far as Jimmy Young, that was wrong on his part but I can also understand is pain. When members of a voting body decide to put their personal feelings ahead of credentials alone, it will make it hard for that deserving person to stay quiet and not feel like they got screwed and expecting them to sit back and take it is just plain wrong. They will speak up about it and it's usually in a negative manner. Do you honestly think that Charley Mills had good things to say about the Pasadena Assoc. in the year or two he got looked over? Well I can tell you, I talked to him about it, it WASN'T..... but I'm sure he will be nothing but nice and congratuatory when he makes his speech at the Banquet. But for some reason you think I won't.... how little you must think of me... I don't see how you can read what you wrote in the first paragraph of your post and not see that it makes you seem like a d**k... I think you should go to pasadenabowling.com and read each person's bio that is in the Hall of Fame... and I'm not talking about comparing our stats to those of us that have been inducted in the past 4 or 5 years... without a doubt you measure up or even exceed our accomplishments. But, when you read the accomplishments and service put forth by the members of our Hall of Fame that were put in during the early years, and then you have the audacity to state that they can't carry your bowling bag, that offends the living f**king daylights out of me... And you wonder why you haven't been elected for recognition.... do you ever think describing voting members like Mel Skaggs, Joe Maddox, James Cermin, Rusty Ransdell, Rusty Davis, Jim Long, Elmer Aden and others as not worthy of comparison to your "greatness" is not offensive? that maybe these individuals don't vote for you based on your written words? I can wholly agree that you have the stats to be a Hall of Famer... but those stats are accomplished in places other than Pasadena, why hasn't a Hall of Fame member in Houston nominated you for recognition? Why hasn't a Texas Hall of Fame member nominated you? I think maybe the credibility of the Pasadena Hall of fAme could be raised by having the nominations come from members as opposed to anyone.. in fact, based on some of the nominations we received this year, I may just suggest it myself...
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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 8, 2007 14:44:04 GMT -5
I have people that will nominate me for Houston and State Hall of Fame. Randy Ray for Houston and Jimbo for State. I just didn't get them anything last year to submit, I will for this year for sure. And as far as accomplishments alone in Pasadena, I still think I measure up to most that are in already.
I realize that many of those from that era got in for service and not performance. At least I did serve 1-1/2 years on the Pasadena Assoc., that's more than many that are in for Performance. At least I have done both. But these people carry just as many points in voting as those that are up on todays people and bowl against them and see them in action. All these people have to judge them is 10 to 20 mins. of paper to look at and your very good I might add presentation on the computer and viewing screen. I personally feel that voting members of the Hall of Fame old and new, need to stay up on what the possible contenders do in the various leagues and Pasadena Tourns. and go out and watch us bowl, especially for City and any other Assoc. sponsored events. That makes impressions on peoples minds, not reading it on a piece of paper....JMO....
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Post by nohookman on Feb 9, 2007 11:20:45 GMT -5
If mine are as good as there's, then I have paid my dues. There are some that have gotten in on first or second try of recent years and I have been passed over 3 times. And me and Jimmy Young are the only ones that have multiple State Titles, to my knowledge, no one in The Hall of Fame or even coming in this year have even one at all...... But as you have said yourself before, there is politics involved and who's friends with who. Charley Mills and Roger are both worthy and friends of mine, it just seems that Jimmy Young and I are then ones having to put in the longer waiting period than some others with lesser achievements...JMO... But that's ok, I will wait, I will get in one year. Like I've said before, I know that Roger and Charley will be voting me in as there #1 pick next year and hopefully others will as well...At least they know I am just as good and deserving as them. They should, I'm out averagering them both this year and last at Arm I and Arm II.... I do have the highest average in the league in all three league I bowl and all three of them are 230 and up and I am older to.....lol..... ;D Hey Perfect, just to let you know, I was looked over 7 times before being elected into the HOF. I never once said anything about the board or voting procedures. Also I was on the board when I was nominated all those times. So all I can say is bide your time and and when you least expect it, you will get in. And by the way, I was elected in on the performance side, it was the first year they seperated the categories. JMO
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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 9, 2007 11:49:17 GMT -5
If mine are as good as there's, then I have paid my dues. There are some that have gotten in on first or second try of recent years and I have been passed over 3 times. And me and Jimmy Young are the only ones that have multiple State Titles, to my knowledge, no one in The Hall of Fame or even coming in this year have even one at all...... But as you have said yourself before, there is politics involved and who's friends with who. Charley Mills and Roger are both worthy and friends of mine, it just seems that Jimmy Young and I are then ones having to put in the longer waiting period than some others with lesser achievements...JMO... But that's ok, I will wait, I will get in one year. Like I've said before, I know that Roger and Charley will be voting me in as there #1 pick next year and hopefully others will as well...At least they know I am just as good and deserving as them. They should, I'm out averaging them both this year and last at Arm I and Arm II.... I do have the highest average in the league in all three league I bowl and all three of them are 230 and up and I am older to.....lol..... ;D Hey Perfect, just to let you know, I was looked over 7 times before being elected into the HOF. I never once said anything about the board or voting procedures. Also I was on the board when I was nominated all those times. So all I can say is bide your time and and when you least expect it, you will get in. And by the way, I was elected in on the performance side, it was the first year they separated the categories. JMO I know you were inducted for Performance and deservingly so, your a good bowler. When I was referring to the older era, I was not including you in that mix. But your right, I will bide my time and I regret some of the things I said yesterday. Sometimes my emotions take over and my blood pressure rises and post somethings before I think....I apologize...
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