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Post by spktatr710 on Oct 12, 2006 12:49:48 GMT -5
ken coker, congrats. ouida johnson doesnt know how to walk straight, jane ruyhle doesnt know how to hook the ball. due to time restraints, the oiling of the lanes should follow the same schedule as nationals, so should the amount of time inbetween squads. 1-2 and 31-32 should not be bowled on until there is a mechanical failure. those pairs of lanes should be rented out by the center to the mixed state tournament. each person bowling should expect to pay around 10 cents a game more for linage. the bowling centers should not be expected to lose money on these unused pairs. purfect, shut up. havent you noticed that we do opposite of what you want, because we know its right for the "average bowlers". lane conditions will never be fair. no matter what anyone ever does, that is why we will never be a TRUE olympic sport. i like to bowl, i just dont have the time. im out. Y'all been doing that since the 80's..lol.. No wonder bowling participation is down each and every year since then.... We've tried and have been doing it everyone elses way, and where has that gotten us?.... I can tell you, less bowlers..... maybe people should start listening to the scratch bowlers..... We are the ones that bowl for our entire life for the most part. We are the ones that bowl 2 and 3 leagues a week, plus bowl, City, State and National Tourns. and other Tourns.... more than any other group of bowlers... but we are listened to the least.... That makes no sense to me.. #stupid# MrP -- I can't keep quiet about your statements..... there are many of us on this forum that keep trying to tell you that the majority of the bowlers in the centers are not scratch bowlers. You only bowl on the leagues that attract the higher average bowlers -- {except for the Occidental League - where you have VERY little competition}. There are tons of senior bowlers at each house that bowl in the mornings and afternoons that have ALSO dedicated many years to bowling, but have never been scratch bowlers. I can name about 15 ex-bowlers right now that gave up the sport because of the handicap unfairness.... they were "average" bowlers sick and tired of have NO chance to get anywhere near the top of the standing and got a spanking each and every week by stacked teams on a moderate league -- why would anyone taking a beating like that want to DONATE their $15/$20 week? AND on top of that, they had to listen to those scratch bowlers complain week after week about only getting a 20% advantage of the team difference. Are we losing scratch bowlers? NO, we are losing the average Joe's. And as I was trying to point out in my previous posts, the Average Joe's are the majority competing in these tournaments...... You only seem to be looking at MEN with 200+ averages that you associate with and not researching the entire tournament entries...... and I think you also discount all the women out there..... there are only a handful in Pasadena that have 190 + averages, but there are tons of us that go to tournaments also.
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Post by XBOM on Oct 13, 2006 3:12:15 GMT -5
#nsrtrts_104#
Perfect is a longtime friend of mine but as we know he is a "SELF-CENTERED EGOTISTICAL SON OF A BIATCH" When he looks at the city average book(Houston or Pasadena) he looks at only a few things! High averages (to see where he ranks!) City records(to see if his team from the 80's is still on the list!) His final average in the book to see if he should call the association and biatch because it should've been higher. And once again he was told averages go in on May 1st not league ending average so it might be a little lower than his ending average because of that reason!!!!!! The book averages of those on his team the 1st night of the league for entering averages! Not the thousands of other names in each book and the averages that they carry because those bowlers don't matter to him! He claims to once have worked in a bowling center? Who other than anyone who's known him since the early 80's would know of this? Yes he did run a few proshops over that time frame. Has anyone on this forum other than myself had a ball drilled by him? Probably not. Hey perfect instead of hanging out at the trivia club come up to the bowling center one night walk around be seen by more than the few people you assciciate with on a weekly basis! How many people actually know you? Not as many as you seem to think. Instead of golfing one weekend go up to a tournament. Latin, City(Houston or Pasadena)Mixed State even Nationals. Look at ALL the bowlers not just the one's who appear to be talented. Some people perfect bowl there entire life. Yes their entire life! There's a man named Clint Wilkes who bowls Tuesday and Thursday Seniors at Armadilla 2 he's 84 years old and has been bowling for around 65+ years. ( wow that's a long time) His high game in his career is 278 and he bowled that over 20 years ago. He still averages somewhere around 160 to 170 just the other day he was telling me he may have to quit next year because he can't bowl as good as he used to! " I told him well d**n Clint you ARE 84 what do you want?" He said "All I ever wanted to do is average 200 or more, But G O D D A M M I TT I think I'm getting to old!" So you see perfect there is another world out there of bowlers who have tried for years to do something that you and some of us take for granted! Average 200+ and bowl a 700 series. Clint had one when he bowled 278 and it was his only one in his career! The United States has over 2,407,800 bowlers. That's 2 million 400 thousand bowlers in adult leagues. Most of them will never reach there goal in bowling but they still bowl leagues and travel to tournaments because one day the ultimate thrill may happen to them. And what better place for it to happen than at a tournament with prestige. After saying all that #typing# Perfect do you honestly think that the average mixed State male bowler is averaging around 185 to 190? Texas has 89,000+ adult league bowlers. Somewhere around 4000 to 4500 of them are coming to Pasadena for this tournament. Do you honestly think every 200 average man in the State is bowling this tournament? I'm not Jimbo's not. I doubt Chris Barnes will be here or Wes Malott The Scroggins brothers probably aren't bowling either? Just to name a few off the top of my head. How many people in the State average 200+ and are not bowling because of the cost of travel not being able to get off work or for whatever reason their not bowling. Be honest perfect if the tournament wasn't being bowled at your home center would you actually be going to bowl it? Nevermind answering that one but it makes you think! I'm going to do a little research next week and see if I can get the total number of adult league bowlers at Armadilla 2. It's somewhere around 1300 and see what the overall average is for the men and for the women. My guess right now it's women 141 men 162 I'll get back to this thread when ever I have the answer. But perfect just to let you know I've met and talked to ton's more bowlers than you ever have. I know I have the advantage because of my job. But not once can I remember ever not speaking to one of them because I thought I was better than them! Bowlers all have the desire to get better and if you posess the knowledge you should pass it on to someone because somewhere down the line you will be honored for helping a fellow bowler learn something they didn't know. Either by your peers or by the big dude up the escaloter in the sky. That's what gives me a good feeling!! You should try it sometime and see how it makes you feel. And I don't mean to a fellow 200 average bowler. Somone who averages in the 170's who's trying to get better. You have the knowledge now if you'ld only put it to use! #soapbox# Sorry so long of a post but like speckledtator i had to get it off my chest #nsrtrts_104#
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Post by WineUdotKing on Oct 13, 2006 7:33:26 GMT -5
WOW...I hope you feel better after that A S S chewing. Go take a couple of chill pills and regroup yourself.
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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 13, 2006 7:59:56 GMT -5
I thought that post of mine would wake a few fellow poster up...lol... When I was talking about averages, I was meaning of those bowling Mixed State, not the national average of all league bowlers....
And I will always help any bowler of any ability "that asks me" and I talk to all people when I'm bowling league. I am friendly to all and don't think I'm better than anyone. I may bowl better than most but I have never thumbed my nose up at anyone.
Oxy Chem is my fun league, it's not blood and guts for me like Tuesday Night Mens league.
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Post by PBAHoFer on Oct 13, 2006 10:02:11 GMT -5
MrP - you may be shocked to know that Div 2 and Div 3 Men's have more entries than Div 1 --- so by your statement above, if we were to give THEM more consideration, then the lanes AFTER the first squad in D/S would be wonderful for them and you are screwed on lane conditions AND lane assignments. Team entries are fairly even across the board. The women's divisions 165 and under overwhelmed the 166 and up. For some reason, you naturally ASSUME these tournaments are filled with bowlers of your caliber, and that just is not the case. The majority are just your average Joe's that love the sport on their 150 averages and enjoy the out-of-town weekends every now and again, without the expectation of First Place. They are there to Bowl, enjoy company, have fun, and if they cash, that is just a bonus. Your wrong spktatr710, I was not assuming anything as far as what division had the most entries. I honestly don't know and that is why I was asking. I have no idea what Div. has the most entries in this Tourn. But I do know this, with today's equipment and soft lane conditions, there is more bowlers carrying 196 and up than there use to be... and I would disagree that most bowlers in this tourn are 150 avg. bowlers just wanting a weekend out of town for fun. I would say that most of the male entries are around the 185 to 195 avg. level, maybe higher but I'm sure the women's avg. level is around the 165 to 175 level. But I doubt there is anyway for you to find out for sure.... There is NO WAY the average average for women entered in this tournament is 165-175. NO WAY. Maybe for the men... not for the women. I'm going to ask if there is a way to determine the average average for the bowlers.
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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 13, 2006 10:21:37 GMT -5
Your wrong spktatr710, I was not assuming anything as far as what division had the most entries. I honestly don't know and that is why I was asking. I have no idea what Div. has the most entries in this Tourn. But I do know this, with today's equipment and soft lane conditions, there is more bowlers carrying 196 and up than there use to be... and I would disagree that most bowlers in this tourn are 150 avg. bowlers just wanting a weekend out of town for fun. I would say that most of the male entries are around the 185 to 195 avg. level, maybe higher but I'm sure the women's avg. level is around the 165 to 175 level. But I doubt there is anyway for you to find out for sure.... There is NO WAY the average average for women entered in this tournament is 165-175. NO WAY. Maybe for the men... not for the women. I'm going to ask if there is a way to determine the average average for the bowlers. You could be right PBA but it would be nice to know for sure, if it's at all possible.... I know that Dana S is at 195 and Donna Z. is 205 or there abouts...
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Post by WineUdotKing on Oct 13, 2006 10:29:25 GMT -5
There is NO WAY the average average for women entered in this tournament is 165-175. NO WAY. Maybe for the men... not for the women. I'm going to ask if there is a way to determine the average average for the bowlers. You could be right PBA but it would be nice to know for sure, if it's at all possible.... I know that Dana S is at 195 and Donna Z. is 205 or there abouts... I don't think those 2 women will bring the other 1200 women's averages up that much. Just a mathamatical huntch...lol
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Post by thedoctor on Oct 13, 2006 10:47:58 GMT -5
You could be right PBA but it would be nice to know for sure, if it's at all possible.... I know that Dana S is at 195 and Donna Z. is 205 or there abouts... I don't think those 2 women will bring the other 1200 women's averages up that much. Just a mathamatical huntch...lol It might. That is if they use the same math tht Enron usded. ;D
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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 13, 2006 10:48:41 GMT -5
You could be right PBA but it would be nice to know for sure, if it's at all possible.... I know that Dana S is at 195 and Donna Z. is 205 or there abouts... I don't think those 2 women will bring the other 1200 women's averages up that much. Just a mathamatical huntch...lol I'm sure there are many other women's averages in the 180 & up range... out of 1,200.... I'd guess around 400 women
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Post by WineUdotKing on Oct 13, 2006 10:55:02 GMT -5
I don't think those 2 women will bring the other 1200 women's averages up that much. Just a mathamatical huntch...lol I'm sure there are many other women's averages in the 180 & up range... out of 1,200.... I'd guess around 400 women That's why you need to come up there and witness for yourself that the average JOE/JANE is bowling this tournament and not ALL high average bowlers. I noticed that they had 0 womens scratch brackets and only 1 or 2 mens scratch brackets at Diamond the first weekend.
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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 13, 2006 11:00:17 GMT -5
I'm sure there are many other women's averages in the 180 & up range... out of 1,200.... I'd guess around 400 women That's why you need to come up there and witness for yourself that the average JOE/JANE is bowling this tournament and not ALL high average bowlers. I noticed that they had 0 womens scratch brackets and only 1 or 2 mens scratch brackets at Diamond the first weekend. But also remember that your making your statements off of 1 weekend, there are 5 more to go.....I know Christine said that there were a lot of high average bowlers the last weekend... so there could be others....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Oct 13, 2006 11:09:26 GMT -5
I'm sure there are many other women's averages in the 180 & up range... out of 1,200.... I'd guess around 400 women That's why you need to come up there and witness for yourself that the average JOE/JANE is bowling this tournament and not ALL high average bowlers. I noticed that they had 0 womens scratch brackets and only 1 or 2 mens scratch brackets at Diamond the first weekend. Just to make you aware, scratch women's brackets are not offered. We have Scratch, Men's Handicap and Women's Handicap.
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Post by WineUdotKing on Oct 13, 2006 12:03:31 GMT -5
The old phrase of "You learn something new everyday" will fit here. I forgot they weren't running womens scratch brackets. Thanks for the reminder...lol.
On another note, for those interested...I will be chunking in the tournament this weekend. Diamond at 2:00pm Sat. and Armadilla at 8:00am Sun. I hope I can handle 9 games in a weekend better than I did in Austin at State...lol. SEE YA.
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Post by WineUdotKing on Oct 13, 2006 12:08:58 GMT -5
David...Have you thought about introducing the GPUSBCA board members, when they bowl the tournament, for their help and dedication to the tournament so the out of towners know who has done so? Just food for thought. I'm sure most of these people could care less as long as the tournament is ran smoothly. I'm sure the board memebers would like the pat on the back in front of the bowlers for doing their part to run this tournament.
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Post by wannabearightie on Oct 13, 2006 12:31:20 GMT -5
pbahofer, i have to tell this story. my first finger tip ball was drilled by purfect (about 1983). i remember stuff like, "your throwing the ball with the wrong hand, your not releasing the ball properly, your throwing the ball to hard, your thumb hurts because you have a huge blister on it. my tight jordash pants allow me to bend my knee, with those (clam digger) pants you should be able to bend your knee too. if you ask me, izod makes the the most comfortable shirts ever made. unlike ocean pacific and hobie they have a color for every person, you should buy stock in that company. get a hair cut, how are you supposed to see your mark with hair in you eyes. you know, in the mall there is a new place that cuts hair, called visible changes. thats who cuts my sweet mullet, they are even talking about waxing eyebrows, i know that will never work, the average person doesnt want their brows waxed." see look, "watch me bowl, now thats how you should bowl." hahahahahaha, really he didnt make me watch him bowl, i just added that to make it sound good. anyway, have a good day. ok, he said nothing about visible changes either.
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