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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 10, 2006 17:01:57 GMT -5
Well I do support our local Assoc. and you know that. I've bowled many and various Assoc. tourns. in the past and have done well in them.....but unlike others but not all that have been inducted, I have good credentials and accomplishments outside of the City.... plus I'm serving on the Board....
I'm not going into detail as to why I haven't been inducted here on the Forum, that's neither here nor there....I'm sure I will be but I'll say that there are voting board members that have no clue as to what goes on in the scratch world of bowling and have no business voting on Performance Hall of Fame nominees...JMO... I am really glad the USBC Rules will change how we've been doing it in the past....JMO...
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 10, 2006 17:15:04 GMT -5
Well I do support our local Assoc. and you know that. I've bowled many and various Assoc. tourns. in the past and have done well in them.....but unlike others but not all that have been inducted, I have good credentials and accomplishments outside of the City.... plus I'm serving on the Board.... I'm not going into detail as to why I haven't been inducted here on the Forum, that's neither here nor there....I'm sure I will be but I'll say that there are voting board members that have no clue as to what goes on in the scratch world of bowling and have no business voting on Performance Hall of Fame nominees...JMO... I am really glad the USBC Rules will change how we've been doing it in the past....JMO... I wil say the reason you have not been elected yet... you have been nominated twice and each year, other, deserving candidates were elected. It really doesn't have anything to do with who, or how much, or even accomplishments... it's just the entire process. Mano, Don Parnell, Kris Boudny and Eddie Brod are deserving honorees. Just as you will be a deserving inductee when your time comes... and, there will be other nominees that will feel slighted when you are elected instead of them... Just to make sure you understand.... we are not going to stop putting people in the Hall of Fame AFTER you get in.... it ain't gonna close.... lol #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL#
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 10, 2006 17:20:18 GMT -5
Well I do support our local Assoc. and you know that. I've bowled many and various Assoc. tourns. in the past and have done well in them.....but unlike others but not all that have been inducted, I have good credentials and accomplishments outside of the City.... plus I'm serving on the Board.... I'm not going into detail as to why I haven't been inducted here on the Forum, that's neither here nor there....I'm sure I will be but I'll say that there are voting board members that have no clue as to what goes on in the scratch world of bowling and have no business voting on Performance Hall of Fame nominees...JMO... I am really glad the USBC Rules will change how we've been doing it in the past....JMO... I wil say the reason you have not been elected yet... you have been nominated twice and each year, other, deserving candidates were elected. It really doesn't have anything to do with who, or how much, or even accomplishments... it's just the entire process. Mano, Don Parnell, Kris Boudny and Eddie Brod are deserving honorees. Just as you will be a deserving inductee when your time comes... and, there will be other nominees that will feel slighted when you are elected instead of them... Just to make sure you understand.... we are not going to stop putting people in the Hall of Fame AFTER you get in.... it ain't gonna close.... lol #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# Well I do know that, I wouldn't want it to be.....and no slight against those bowlers was meant by me....they are deserving as well. I will get in next year or the year after... I feel I've paid my dues......lol...
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 10, 2006 17:22:23 GMT -5
I wil say the reason you have not been elected yet... you have been nominated twice and each year, other, deserving candidates were elected. It really doesn't have anything to do with who, or how much, or even accomplishments... it's just the entire process. Mano, Don Parnell, Kris Boudny and Eddie Brod are deserving honorees. Just as you will be a deserving inductee when your time comes... and, there will be other nominees that will feel slighted when you are elected instead of them... Just to make sure you understand.... we are not going to stop putting people in the Hall of Fame AFTER you get in.... it ain't gonna close.... lol #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# Well I do know that, I wouldn't want it to be.....and no slight against those bowlers was meant by me....they are deserving as well. I will get in next year or the year after... I feel I've paid my dues......lol... You have paid your dues... especially considering how old you are.... Now... you might wanna consider paying your "bribes"... lol
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 10, 2006 17:32:36 GMT -5
Well I do know that, I wouldn't want it to be.....and no slight against those bowlers was meant by me....they are deserving as well. I will get in next year or the year after... I feel I've paid my dues......lol... You have paid your dues... especially considering how old you are.... Now... you might wanna consider paying your "bribes"... lol I'm not paying any bribes.....if I had to do that, then I'm not really deserving then, am I?....lol...
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 10, 2006 17:40:03 GMT -5
Actually, the biggest thing that has hurt me as far as Hall of Fame..IMO.. For many years in the later 80's and all of the 90's.... I bowled Arm I leagues maybe three years....Most of my bowling was at Diamond (the harder house) most of the time... So my honor score count may not be as high a others.... but one would figure that my out of town accomplishments were better because of it and they were...(The proof of ones true abilities and talents)... Plus it's a case of out of sight out of mind... If I'd done more of these local accomplishments at Arm I, where most of the Board bowls.....I think things would be different with those board members, they would have seen me doing it, instead of hearing about it, if even that....JMO....
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Post by efb on Jan 11, 2006 8:18:57 GMT -5
In the late 80s and for most of the 90s the majority of my bowling was done at diamond also.You make it sound like my number of honor scores is inflated due to lots of Armadilla bowling.Let me give you some facts.Of the three houses that have been in Pasadena,I had honor scores in Diamond and Spencer Square(the toughest house ever)before I ever had one at Armadilla.I have far more honor scores at Diamond than I have at Armadilla.My three highest series 837,837,832 were all shot at the so called harder house.Quit your wining and quit making excuses for why you have not been elected to the Hall of Fame and except the fact that ,even though it may be hard for you to fathom,you were looked over for a far more deserving candidate.
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 11, 2006 9:02:25 GMT -5
In the late 80s and for most of the 90s the majority of my bowling was done at diamond also.You make it sound like my number of honor scores is inflated due to lots of Armadilla bowling.Let me give you some facts.Of the three houses that have been in Pasadena,I had honor scores in Diamond and Spencer Square(the toughest house ever)before I ever had one at Armadilla.I have far more honor scores at Diamond than I have at Armadilla.My three highest series 837,837,832 were all shot at the so called harder house.Quit your wining and quit making excuses for why you have not been elected to the Hall of Fame and except the fact that ,even though it may be hard for you to fathom,you were looked over for a far more deserving candidate. Why did you think my post was about you efb?...It was not directed towards you... and I never said you weren't deserving of Hall of Fame Status..... But I do have a State Doubles Title, and a 300 at State in another year. A Houston Team Title, a 300 in a PBA Qualifier, won a PBA Qualifier, finished 2nd in a PBA Regional and you know my ABC Nationals scores and abilities. I bowled a 300 and 299 in Pasadena's City Tourns. plus Team, Single and Double Titles in Pasadena And in our 19th Place Team finish at Nationals in Salt Lake, it was me that shot 748 to propel us to that position... So I don't think anyone could say I'm not worthy either.... All I'm trying to say is I'm glad that Hall of Fame inductee's like you and Kris and all the other inductees will be the only ones voting on Hall of Fame nominees from now on, because bowlers like you and Kris and the others will be familiar with the nominees and their abilities because you have bowled with them and against them throughout the years, instead of having some board members that have never averaged above 180, never shot an honor score, never bowled in a scratch Tourn., deciding on bowlers of our ability on who is inducted into the Hall of Fame.... That is the only point I am making..... no other.....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 11, 2006 9:02:57 GMT -5
In the late 80s and for most of the 90s the majority of my bowling was done at diamond also.You make it sound like my number of honor scores is inflated due to lots of Armadilla bowling.Let me give you some facts.Of the three houses that have been in Pasadena,I had honor scores in Diamond and Spencer Square(the toughest house ever)before I ever had one at Armadilla.I have far more honor scores at Diamond than I have at Armadilla.My three highest series 837,837,832 were all shot at the so called harder house.Quit your wining and quit making excuses for why you have not been elected to the Hall of Fame and except the fact that ,even though it may be hard for you to fathom,you were looked over for a far more deserving candidate. Sounds like this situation is setting up a VERRRRRRRY interesting acceptance speech..... Get your tickets... $25 each. Available from any PBA/ PWBA Director.
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 11, 2006 10:25:30 GMT -5
In the late 80s and for most of the 90s the majority of my bowling was done at diamond also.You make it sound like my number of honor scores is inflated due to lots of Armadilla bowling.Let me give you some facts.Of the three houses that have been in Pasadena,I had honor scores in Diamond and Spencer Square(the toughest house ever)before I ever had one at Armadilla.I have far more honor scores at Diamond than I have at Armadilla.My three highest series 837,837,832 were all shot at the so called harder house.Quit your wining and quit making excuses for why you have not been elected to the Hall of Fame and except the fact that ,even though it may be hard for you to fathom,you were looked over for a far more deserving candidate. Why did you think my post was about you efb?...It was not directed towards you... and I never said you weren't deserving of Hall of Fame Status..... But I do have a State Doubles Title, and a 300 at State in another year. A Houston Team Title, a 300 in a PBA Qualifier, won a PBA Qualifier, finished 2nd in a PBA Regional and you know my ABC Nationals scores and abilities. I bowled a 300 and 299 in Pasadena's City Tourns. plus Team, Single and Double Titles in Pasadena And in our 19th Place Team finish at Nationals in Salt Lake, it was me that shot 748 to propel us to that position... So I don't think anyone could say I'm not worthy either.... All I'm trying to say is I'm glad that Hall of Fame inductee's like you and Kris and all the other inductees will be the only ones voting on Hall of Fame nominees from now on, because bowlers like you and Kris and the others will be familiar with the nominees and their abilities because you have bowled with them and against them throughout the years, instead of having some board members that have never averaged above 180, never shot an honor score, never bowled in a scratch Tourn., deciding on bowlers of our ability on who is inducted into the Hall of Fame.... That is the only point I am making..... no other..... #nsrtrts_104# I agree with perfect... however, there IS a number of Hall of Famers, that will be voting that still meet the non-performance standards you mention... they may be service inductees, and the bowling accomplishments will still be something they cannot relate to... However, they ARE Hall of Famers... and with that comes a sense of fellowship and loyalty to one's Hall of Fame, and that is something that a non-HoF member cannot relate to sure enough...
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Post by efb on Jan 11, 2006 10:25:32 GMT -5
Just trying to create a little hype and sell a few tickets.
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 11, 2006 10:34:10 GMT -5
Just trying to create a little hype and sell a few tickets. No need for us to hype it, I know me and many others wouldn't miss this induction ceremony for anything. I'm sure it will be a sell out. You and Kris have been friends of mine for years, probably longer than I can remember ...lol....and I'm very happy for y'all, I wouldn't miss it for the world.
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 11, 2006 10:36:36 GMT -5
By the way... everybody needs to be promoting the banquet to everyone you know... I have only sold 6 or 8 tix, and we have the entire 1st floor reserved... I would hate to show up with only 100 people...
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Post by MrPerfect on Jan 11, 2006 10:49:52 GMT -5
Why did you think my post was about you efb?...It was not directed towards you... and I never said you weren't deserving of Hall of Fame Status..... But I do have a State Doubles Title, and a 300 at State in another year. A Houston Team Title, a 300 in a PBA Qualifier, won a PBA Qualifier, finished 2nd in a PBA Regional and you know my ABC Nationals scores and abilities. I bowled a 300 and 299 in Pasadena's City Tourns. plus Team, Single and Double Titles in Pasadena And in our 19th Place Team finish at Nationals in Salt Lake, it was me that shot 748 to propel us to that position... So I don't think anyone could say I'm not worthy either.... All I'm trying to say is I'm glad that Hall of Fame inductee's like you and Kris and all the other inductees will be the only ones voting on Hall of Fame nominees from now on, because bowlers like you and Kris and the others will be familiar with the nominees and their abilities because you have bowled with them and against them throughout the years, instead of having some board members that have never averaged above 180, never shot an honor score, never bowled in a scratch Tourn., deciding on bowlers of our ability on who is inducted into the Hall of Fame.... That is the only point I am making..... no other..... #nsrtrts_104# I agree with perfect... however, there IS a number of Hall of Famers, that will be voting that still meet the non-performance standards you mention... they may be service inductees, and the bowling accomplishments will still be something they cannot relate to... However, they ARE Hall of Famers... and with that comes a sense of fellowship and loyalty to one's Hall of Fame, and that is something that a non-HoF member cannot relate to sure enough... Yes, there was a time when the Hall of Fame first started, it wasn't distinguished between Performance and Service....I guess nothing can be done about that but with the new USBC governing rules on Hall of Fame, I think it has cut out a few, maybe half, that were able to vote before. One thing I think that should be considered for change by the Hall of Fame Inductees and Board members over the Hall of Fame Committee when deciding on who is inducted. I think the nominee's forms should be looked at for a week by the voters before voting on who they like. To me, passing out the application forms for all to review for 5 or 10 mins. and listening to a 60 second presentation of each nominee (but a very nice one I might add) is not sufficient time to review the applicants.....Also, I think an open floor discussion between the Hall of Fame voters only, could be done voicing they're opinions of the applicants qualifications before voting. It may or may not change anyone's mind but it could help to know what others think and their reasons why they are voting a certain way, but it shouldn't be anyone that has nominated an applicant, it should be from the people that are unbias....JMO....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 11, 2006 11:49:34 GMT -5
#nsrtrts_104# I agree with perfect... however, there IS a number of Hall of Famers, that will be voting that still meet the non-performance standards you mention... they may be service inductees, and the bowling accomplishments will still be something they cannot relate to... However, they ARE Hall of Famers... and with that comes a sense of fellowship and loyalty to one's Hall of Fame, and that is something that a non-HoF member cannot relate to sure enough... Yes, there was a time when the Hall of Fame first started, it wasn't distinguished between Performance and Service....I guess nothing can be done about that but with the new USBC governing rules on Hall of Fame, I think it has cut out a few, maybe half, that were able to vote before. One thing I think that should be considered for change by the Hall of Fame Inductees and Board members over the Hall of Fame Committee when deciding on who is inducted. I think the nominee's forms should be looked at for a week by the voters before voting on who they like. To me, passing out the application forms for all to review for 5 or 10 mins. and listening to a 60 second presentation of each nominee (but a very nice one I might add) is not sufficient time to review the applicants.....Also, I think an open floor discussion between the Hall of Fame voters only, could be done voicing they're opinions of the applicants qualifications before voting. It may or may not change anyone's mind but it could help to know what others think and their reasons why they are voting a certain way, but it shouldn't be anyone that has nominated an applicant, it should be from the people that are unbias....JMO.... Good idea about having the nominations out for review... I have often wondered about the lack of discussion concerning applications and stats... as I begged voters last month to discuss and review applications and ask any questions... I was amazed at the number of ballots being folded and turned in as I was speaking... and the bom and I had cussed and discussed and debated our votes for a week... It just goes to demonstrate, in my opinion, non-members of an institution should not be voting on inductees... like Baseball Hall of Fame... why do the Sportswriters vote and the Hall of Famers only vote for veterans passed over after 15 years... Makes no sense to me...
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