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Post by WineUdotKing on Mar 2, 2007 8:15:24 GMT -5
what is the dress code for city tourney? shorts allowed? collar shirts required? hats allowed? READ THE RULES ON THE ENTRY FORM.... ;D ;D
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Post by WineUdotKing on Mar 2, 2007 8:17:09 GMT -5
I think John needs to run for the board. He seems to use his head sometimes, unlike some people. Hey John, the elections are next month. Get on the ballot.
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 2, 2007 8:46:03 GMT -5
Are you on drugs?.....You must be out of your mind...lol.... Diamond will be lucky to keep the doors open at the end of this fall league. And I doubt that Randy will contribute anymore than the reduced lineage break that they are giving the Assoc..... Sometimes you have to read something twice before you realize to yourself, "NOPE, I did read what I thought I read..." You must really be a genius to post something like that for public consumption. Do you have access to information that others of us are not aware of? Or has the management/ ownership of Diamond confided the status of their business unto you for you to spew over the internet? Or is it you were trying to be funny or sarcastic and you have the ability to be neither... PBA, I was mostly giving screwed a hard time....lol.... But it's no big secret that Diamond is in financial trouble. They haven't been making their payments and Jimmy Young may be taking the place back over. They have gutted the machines for spare parts on lanes 1 & 2 to keep other lanes running. This is all from a reliable source. And you know as well as I do that neither house is going to add prize fund money to the City Tourn..... Now, it's possible the Assoc. can or may but screwed first post that I responded to said nothing about the Assoc......but I doubt that since the majority of bowlers in our Assoc. DO NOT BOWL the City Tourn., would not be happy about their participation trinket, going into a prize fund for the City Tourn........ I would be highly surprised if the Assoc. Board voted in that way of fear of repercussions from the other Assoc. membership....JMO..... Even though these trinkets aren't much but if they are use to getting them, then all of a sudden don't and find out what they went to, there could be some biatching by some..... I wouldn't be one of them, I'd rather the money go into the City Tourn. but I just don't think it would fly....JMO.....
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Post by XBOM on Mar 2, 2007 12:06:47 GMT -5
The GPUSBCA could have charged the maximum on the registration fee which i believe was $18 instead of the $16 they charged correct me if I'm wrong on the price. The maximum like Houston did and the extra money could have been used toward the Open Championship. When laying out how the money was going to be used a $1 fee per bowler for the open championship prize fund per year might have enticed more participation. Just another Idea. Instead of the houses donating money from each league bowler. In a one house town that maybe could fly but when two centers are involved and one center's bowler count dominates the other by a fairly large amount it will not work. JMO
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Post by PBAHoFer on Mar 2, 2007 12:14:13 GMT -5
We had advertised we would charge $16 for Certification and then USBC snaked us and upped their share from $8 to $10... we knew we were hosting Mixed State and would be able to cover the deficit created by apsorbing almost $4,000.00 in lost revenue by USBC increasing their dues.
We will be approaching membership to increase dues to $18 for next season. It has to be approved at the Annual Meeting. If it is turned down, programs and services will have to be cut back... Participation Award and some Hall of Fame expenses would be the first thing I would look at to save money...
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 2, 2007 12:18:29 GMT -5
The GPUSBCA could have charged the maximum on the registration fee which i believe was $18 instead of the $16 they charged correct me if I'm wrong on the price. The maximum like Houston did and the extra money could have been used toward the Open Championship. When laying out how the money was going to be used a $1 fee per bowler for the open championship prize fund per year might have enticed more participation. Just another Idea. Instead of the houses donating money from each league bowler. In a one house town that maybe could fly but when two centers are involved and one center's bowler count dominates the other by a fairly large amount it will not work. JMO I would not have a problem with paying an extra 1.00 for my yearly sanction card or for transfer fee....... I think that's a good idea Xbom, and it could generate more participants in our City Tourn. if the bowlers know that a 1.00 of their fee is going into the prize fund....JMO.... Xbom does have his moments every once in a while...lol...J/K... ;D
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 2, 2007 12:22:29 GMT -5
We had advertised we would charge $16 for Certification and then USBC snaked us and upped their share from $8 to $10... we knew we were hosting Mixed State and would be able to cover the deficit created by apsorbing almost $4,000.00 in lost revenue by USBC increasing their dues. We will be approaching membership to increase dues to $18 for next season. It has to be approved at the Annual Meeting. If it is turned down, programs and services will have to be cut back... Participation Award and some Hall of Fame expenses would be the first thing I would look at to save money... So going up to 18.00 next year is basically a breakeven amount for the Assoc. To have added money for the City Tourn. y'all would have to go up to 19.00? I presume.... Might as well make it 20.00 as far as I'm concerned.....JMO....1.00 for the City toun. and the other 1.00 at the Assoc. discretion.... YABA Scolarships or whatever....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Mar 2, 2007 12:26:26 GMT -5
We are still charged with providing a local awards program to our membership... one thing we could explore would be reducing the amount of money we spend per award... and we could give out ball point pens or something similar every year instead of changing up and/ or spending over $1 per award.
My feelings are this... I see no PBA keychains on bowlers keys... as much beer that is consumed, I haven't seen a PBA Koozie since the night we passed them out to the respective leagues... I have NEVER seen a PBA towel on the rack or in the setee area... So, I think the awards are not being utilized or "appreciated" and as such, we could give out high score certificates or some other similar option and it would be just as visible and wold fulfill our requirements...
We could buy a ream of nice quality paper and print 700 awards for all bowlers, not just those under 205 average... we could print out 275 game certificates... or 200/225 whatever fits per an average class and meet our awrds requirements... these certificates could be presented out to regular Joe Bowlers over the PA system and they would get the same treatments as bowlers being awarded USBC HOnor score awards...
All for considerable savings as compared to an underappreciated Participation Award.
Our Awards Committee will be examining things over the next month in preparation for our Annual Meeting April 22, 2007
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 2, 2007 12:36:38 GMT -5
We are still charged with providing a local awards program to our membership... one thing we could explore would be reducing the amount of money we spend per award... and we could give out ball point pens or something similar every year instead of changing up and/ or spending over $1 per award. My feelings are this... I see no PBA keychains on bowlers keys... as much beer that is consumed, I haven't seen a PBA Koozie since the night we passed them out to the respective leagues... I have NEVER seen a PBA towel on the rack or in the setee area... So, I think the awards are not being utilized or "appreciated" and as such, we could give out high score certificates or some other similar option and it would be just as visible and wold fulfill our requirements... We could buy a ream of nice quality paper and print 700 awards for all bowlers, not just those under 205 average... we could print out 275 game certificates... or 200/225 whatever fits per an average class and meet our awrds requirements... these certificates could be presented out to regular Joe Bowlers over the PA system and they would get the same treatments as bowlers being awarded USBC HOnor score awards... All for considerable savings as compared to an underappreciated Participation Award. Our Awards Committee will be examining things over the next month in preparation for our Annual Meeting April 22, 2007 I agree with you on the participation awards and I think the award certificates is a good idea. You could even extend that to lower average bowlers that may shoot a 600+ series but y'all would have to decide what the bowlers avg. would have to be under to receive it....
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Post by WineUdotKing on Mar 2, 2007 13:22:48 GMT -5
The GPUSBCA could have charged the maximum on the registration fee which i believe was $18 instead of the $16 they charged correct me if I'm wrong on the price. The maximum like Houston did and the extra money could have been used toward the Open Championship. When laying out how the money was going to be used a $1 fee per bowler for the open championship prize fund per year might have enticed more participation. Just another Idea. Instead of the houses donating money from each league bowler. In a one house town that maybe could fly but when two centers are involved and one center's bowler count dominates the other by a fairly large amount it will not work. JMO I would not have a problem with paying an extra 1.00 for my yearly sanction card or for transfer fee....... I think that's a good idea Xbom, and it could generate more participants in our City Tourn. if the bowlers know that a 1.00 of their fee is going into the prize fund....JMO.... Xbom does have his moments every once in a while...lol...J/K... ;D But to make it fair for everyone, the extra 1.00 would go to the Tournament prize fund for each of the 3 tournaments (Open, Womens, YABA). Breakdown, men 1.00 fee to the Open Tournament women 1.00 to the Women's Tournament yaba 1.00 to the YABA Tournament Can't give it all to the Open Tournament.
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Post by XBOM on Mar 2, 2007 13:23:57 GMT -5
We had advertised we would charge $16 for Certification and then USBC snaked us and upped their share from $8 to $10... we knew we were hosting Mixed State and would be able to cover the deficit created by apsorbing almost $4,000.00 in lost revenue by USBC increasing their dues. We will be approaching membership to increase dues to $18 for next season. It has to be approved at the Annual Meeting. If it is turned down, programs and services will have to be cut back... Participation Award and some Hall of Fame expenses would be the first thing I would look at to save money... The problem now being are you going to be able to sell that to the membership at the Annual Meeting? Pasadena is full of tight people. You see that every year at League meetings when trying to raise fees $1/per bowler to increase the prize fund because the house went up on their lineage .50 cents a league would NOT increase dues so for the year but they would vote to increase the handicap 10%!!! End result bowling for less money but giving up more HANDICAP!!!!!!!!!!! The GPUSBCA needs to put out a news letter for all the bowler's explaining the stance instead of hitting them with it on April 22nd. Give them a month or so to weigh the positives and then the negatives. Hopefully they'll understand MIXED STATE is not an every year occurance and will vote in favor of an increase so some of they yearly events that are great ie.. HOF banquet will not suffer budget cuts. For some reason the banquet room at Golden Corral just doesn't appeal to me as much as Monument Inn!!!!!!!!!! Maybe when perect gets inducted we can make the change for that year !!!!! #nutkick# LOL
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Post by WineUdotKing on Mar 2, 2007 13:28:58 GMT -5
We had advertised we would charge $16 for Certification and then USBC snaked us and upped their share from $8 to $10... we knew we were hosting Mixed State and would be able to cover the deficit created by apsorbing almost $4,000.00 in lost revenue by USBC increasing their dues. We will be approaching membership to increase dues to $18 for next season. It has to be approved at the Annual Meeting. If it is turned down, programs and services will have to be cut back... Participation Award and some Hall of Fame expenses would be the first thing I would look at to save money... The problem now being are you going to be able to sell that to the membership at the Annual Meeting? Pasadena is full of tight people. You see that every year at League meetings when trying to raise fees $1/per bowler to increase the prize fund because the house went up on their lineage .50 cents a league would NOT increase dues so for the year but they would vote to increase the handicap 10%!!! End result bowling for less money but giving up more HANDICAP!!!!!!!!!!! The GPUSBCA needs to put out a news letter for all the bowler's explaining the stance instead of hitting them with it on April 22nd. Give them a month or so to weigh the positives and then the negatives. Hopefully they'll understand MIXED STATE is not an every year occurance and will vote in favor of an increase so some of they yearly events that are great ie.. HOF banquet will not suffer budget cuts. For some reason the banquet room at Golden Corral just doesn't appeal to me as much as Monument Inn!!!!!!!!!! Maybe when perect gets inducted we can make the change for that year !!!!! #nutkick# LOL By the time he makes it in, we will have to cut the budget down to CiCi's Pizza buffet and coke for all guests. #cheers2# #crashburn_fou# #kick# #thSmlyPunch# #throwrock# #bsflag# #nutkick# #nobodycares# #laugh# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL#
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Post by XBOM on Mar 2, 2007 13:45:17 GMT -5
The problem now being are you going to be able to sell that to the membership at the Annual Meeting? Pasadena is full of tight people. You see that every year at League meetings when trying to raise fees $1/per bowler to increase the prize fund because the house went up on their lineage .50 cents a league would NOT increase dues so for the year but they would vote to increase the handicap 10%!!! End result bowling for less money but giving up more HANDICAP!!!!!!!!!!! The GPUSBCA needs to put out a news letter for all the bowler's explaining the stance instead of hitting them with it on April 22nd. Give them a month or so to weigh the positives and then the negatives. Hopefully they'll understand MIXED STATE is not an every year occurance and will vote in favor of an increase so some of they yearly events that are great ie.. HOF banquet will not suffer budget cuts. For some reason the banquet room at Golden Corral just doesn't appeal to me as much as Monument Inn!!!!!!!!!! Maybe when perect gets inducted we can make the change for that year !!!!! #nutkick# LOL By the time he makes it in, we will have to cut the budget down to CiCi's Pizza buffet and coke for all guests. #cheers2# #crashburn_fou# #kick# #thSmlyPunch# #throwrock# #bsflag# #nutkick# #nobodycares# #laugh# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# #SmlyROFL# But with keeping with the trend!! Price increase to $40 per ticket!!! Price increase at CiCi's Pizza will be $39.95 per person!!! #SmlyROFL#
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 2, 2007 14:06:14 GMT -5
What's this, the gang up on Perfect hour, while I was at lunch?....lol....
Y'all are killing me......lol... Too funny...
On to Kris's point about spliting it up between the Men, Women and YABA..... Our Assoc. already sets aside money for YABA scholarships.....but if YABA sanction fees go up, then they can put the extra dollars they contribute to additional scholarships if they wish.... I don't feel that YABA should get any of the adult money by men and women of the adult leagues....JMO....
And since women are allowed to bowl the Open City Tourn. and the Men are NOT allowed to bowl the Women's City Tourn. Then the Open Tourn. should get 2/3 of the extra money... If they were totally separate like they were years ago, then I could totally see splitting it 50/50........JMO.....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Mar 2, 2007 14:24:04 GMT -5
I would not have a problem with paying an extra 1.00 for my yearly sanction card or for transfer fee....... I think that's a good idea Xbom, and it could generate more participants in our City Tourn. if the bowlers know that a 1.00 of their fee is going into the prize fund....JMO.... Xbom does have his moments every once in a while...lol...J/K... ;D But to make it fair for everyone, the extra 1.00 would go to the Tournament prize fund for each of the 3 tournaments (Open, Womens, YABA). Breakdown, men 1.00 fee to the Open Tournament women 1.00 to the Women's Tournament yaba 1.00 to the YABA Tournament Can't give it all to the Open Tournament. There is no provision for charging the Youth for their tournament... their local dues are only a dollar or 2 more than their national dues, so we barely make money to pay the Association Manager to process their memberships...
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