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Post by WineUdotKing on Jan 4, 2007 8:43:48 GMT -5
Today's, Thursday, January 4, 2007 edition of The Pasadena Citizen has an article concerning the inductees and awards dinner. In keeping in time with the wrong date that I had been quoting for months, it has the wrong date (2/19/07) instead of 2/17/07 which is the correct date... This was completely my fault as I had the 19th ingrained in my head for months and never fixed it in my mind in all of my negotiations with a guest speaker and everything else involved... Anyway, it's a nice article... pick up a copy today if you have a chance or even better, maybe drop an email to: ravery@hcnonline.com (Robert Avery, Sports Editor) thanking him for covering Pasadena Bowling news over the years... of course he never has learned how to keep score and insists on misquoting throwing the first 11 strikes before settling for a 290 on a weekly basis... You may also question the legitmacy of their Top 10 bowlers listing they are running if you care to.... How much would it cost to get 2 banners to put inside the centers to advertise the banquet? Also, it would help clear up the misprint in the newpaper about the date.
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 4, 2007 8:56:52 GMT -5
Today's, Thursday, January 4, 2007 edition of The Pasadena Citizen has an article concerning the inductees and awards dinner. In keeping in time with the wrong date that I had been quoting for months, it has the wrong date (2/19/07) instead of 2/17/07 which is the correct date... This was completely my fault as I had the 19th ingrained in my head for months and never fixed it in my mind in all of my negotiations with a guest speaker and everything else involved... Anyway, it's a nice article... pick up a copy today if you have a chance or even better, maybe drop an email to: ravery@hcnonline.com (Robert Avery, Sports Editor) thanking him for covering Pasadena Bowling news over the years... of course he never has learned how to keep score and insists on misquoting throwing the first 11 strikes before settling for a 290 on a weekly basis... You may also question the legitmacy of their Top 10 bowlers listing they are running if you care to.... How much would it cost to get 2 banners to put inside the centers to advertise the banquet? Also, it would help clear up the misprint in the newpaper about the date. Macaroni posters are cheaper....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Jan 4, 2007 9:05:14 GMT -5
Seriously though, I think we are just going to be hanging advertising signs around in strategic spots in each center i.e. bathrooms and bar window.
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Post by jmw on Feb 11, 2007 5:00:11 GMT -5
It's about 15 years too late, but if you weren't so full of yourself then you would have already been elected in to the hall of fame Clark. You need to go back and read everything that you have typed. 9 times out of 10 you have written about yourself. I don't mean to burst your bubble; no one who has been inducted into the Pasadena hall of fame has your accomplishments. Some are close but all are friendly and worthy and have a conscience. Take into consideration your words and the way people perceive them. You come across like and not a very nice person. If you keep that up, you will have another 15 years and you'll be on the senior tour with Jimmy Young by the time you are inducted. I know I don't live in Pasadena anymore, but everytime I get on this website it always seems to be about you, what you've done or haven't done, or haven't gotten in to. Give other people some credit. I am sure that they deserve it.
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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 12, 2007 14:22:46 GMT -5
It's about 15 years too late, but if you weren't so full of yourself then you would have already been elected in to the hall of fame Clark. You need to go back and read everything that you have typed. 9 times out of 10 you have written about yourself. I don't mean to burst your bubble; no one who has been inducted into the Pasadena hall of fame has your accomplishments. Some are close but all are friendly and worthy and have a conscience. Take into consideration your words and the way people perceive them. You come across like and not a very nice person. If you keep that up, you will have another 15 years and you'll be on the senior tour with Jimmy Young by the time you are inducted. I know I don't live in Pasadena anymore, but everytime I get on this website it always seems to be about you, what you've done or haven't done, or haven't gotten in to. Give other people some credit. I am sure that they deserve it. Just got my computer back from the shop.... You just don't realize how much we rely on these things until you don't have the use of it....lol... James, you are entitled to you opinion but I do give other people credit on here all the time for there bowling achievements and I never said those nominated in the last few years were not worthy. As far as being humble, obviously, I must have the achievements to be in, I think what you are saying as well as some others is, that I shouldn't be or sound bitter or upset that some have gotten in before me with lesser credentials than me. Not meaning they weren't worthy. And even when Charlie Mills says that I should be in before some others that have gotten in before me, what am I to think? But none the less, I'm trying to be patient and understanding and like I said in a post Thursday I think, I apologized for a previous post. But I guess that don't count as far as some people are concerned....
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Post by jmw on Feb 12, 2007 15:01:49 GMT -5
I agree with alot of what you say and yes you do give others credit. What's makes it even wores is if this message board (diamond lanes)would have never been put up you would have been inducted by now.Was not trying to come off so rude. sry perfect.
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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 12, 2007 15:30:19 GMT -5
I agree with alot of what you say and yes you do give others credit. What's makes it even wores is if this message board (diamond lanes)would have never been put up you would have been inducted by now.Was not trying to come off so rude. sry perfect. No problem James, I knew what you meant and I've heard the same thing before. You know that I'm full of BS most of the time, especially when it comes to this board, just to have things to talk about and Xbom and I like stirring up the pot a bit to give us all something to post. But I thought this board was partially for, posting scores and accomplishments? Just because I have more than most to post about, I come accross as boasting.... Maybe that is because, I am really that good?....lol... There is only 4 or 5 bowlers in Texas that have ever averaged in the top 50 at Nationals for any 3 or 4 year in a row period and all of them are Houston or Texas State Hall of Famers, except me..... I can't even make Pasadena's yet.....lol.... but that's ok, I'm going to try for Houston and State this next year, maybe I'll have better luck with them....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Feb 12, 2007 18:06:14 GMT -5
I agree with alot of what you say and yes you do give others credit. What's makes it even wores is if this message board (diamond lanes)would have never been put up you would have been inducted by now.Was not trying to come off so rude. sry perfect. No problem James, I knew what you meant and I've heard the same thing before. You know that I'm full of BS most of the time, especially when it comes to this board, just to have things to talk about and Xbom and I like stirring up the pot a bit to give us all something to post. But I thought this board was partially for, posting scores and accomplishments? Just because I have more than most to post about, I come accross as boasting.... Maybe that is because, I am really that good?....lol... There is only 4 or 5 bowlers in Texas that have ever averaged in the top 50 at Nationals for any 3 or 4 year in a row period and all of them are Houston or Texas State Hall of Famers, except me..... I can't even make Pasadena's yet.....lol.... but that's ok, I'm going to try for Houston and State this next year, maybe I'll have better luck with them.... Wow, if you make those other two more prestigious Halls of Fame, maybe you won't even show up to accept if you ever make it into the Pasadena Hall of Fame... I love the way you phrase things... I can't even make it into Pasadena's Hall of Fame... Gotta hand it to you perfect... you cost yourself votes everytime you post something on here... I guess it's a natural progression... one year you disrespect the inductees. The next year you disrespect an inductee to such a degree that a "challenge match" is held... on top of questioning the voters every year, and finally, this year you step up your disrespect for the entire Hall of Fame... I know you don't know what you said to disrespect the Hall of fame, but I will point it out to you... you compared Pasadena's Hall of Fame to Houston and Texas and stated bowlers with your qualifications are Hall of Famers in one or both, and you "...can't even make Pasadena's Hall of Fame." Let the spin doctors begin...
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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 12, 2007 18:13:42 GMT -5
No problem James, I knew what you meant and I've heard the same thing before. You know that I'm full of BS most of the time, especially when it comes to this board, just to have things to talk about and Xbom and I like stirring up the pot a bit to give us all something to post. But I thought this board was partially for, posting scores and accomplishments? Just because I have more than most to post about, I come across as boasting.... Maybe that is because, I am really that good?....lol... There is only 4 or 5 bowlers in Texas that have ever averaged in the top 50 at Nationals for any 3 or 4 year in a row period and all of them are Houston or Texas State Hall of Famers, except me..... I can't even make Pasadena's yet.....lol.... but that's ok, I'm going to try for Houston and State this next year, maybe I'll have better luck with them.... Wow, if you make those other two more prestigious Halls of Fame, maybe you won't even show up to accept if you ever make it into the Pasadena Hall of Fame... I love the way you phrase things... I can't even make it into Pasadena's Hall of Fame... Gotta hand it to you perfect... you cost yourself votes everytime you post something on here... I guess it's a natural progression... one year you disrespect the inductees. The next year you disrespect an inductee to such a degree that a "challenge match" is held... on top of questioning the voters every year, and finally, this year you step up your disrespect for the entire Hall of Fame... I know you don't know what you said to disrespect the Hall of fame, but I will point it out to you... you compared Pasadena's Hall of Fame to Houston and Texas and stated bowlers with your qualifications are Hall of Famers in one or both, and you "...can't even make Pasadena's Hall of Fame." Let the spin doctors begin... Let me remind you again, I was challenged last year by that Hall of Famer.... and I did win by the way...lol.... I'm just saying, based on the numbers only, Houston's Hall of Fame is harder to make because there are more good bowlers in Houston overall than there is in Pasadena, you deny that?.... and the same holds that much more true for State Hall of Fame..... You trying to tell me you don't think them a little more prestigious?
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Post by PBAHoFer on Feb 13, 2007 0:00:03 GMT -5
I would say there is just as much if not more politics involved with those organizations...
Houston had been around for 40+ years and they have MANY, MANY good bowlers that have been shut out of toghtful recognition because of their personalities...
I'll give you an example:
Clint Stehle
A state or national hall of fame should not be compared to a local hall of fame. Of course there is more prestige involved with that type of hall of fame.
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Post by WineUdotKing on Feb 13, 2007 8:21:48 GMT -5
I will add that both hall of fames that I am in mean the same to me. Yes, it was probably harder to get into the International than the local Pasadena, but they are both very meaningful to me. I will never have the stats you have, but I did and still do give back to the associations, both Pasadena and the Knights of Columbus. As a matter of fact, I have been asked to be the guest speaker at the 2008 KC International tournament banquet in South Bend, IN. I have no earthly idea what I'm going to talk about yet, but i will put something together that will be both KC and bowling related.
I will agree with David that Houston HofF is very political, but it would be just as meaningful to get in there as any other HofF. Yes, the larger the Association is the harder it is to get in, but it still has alot to do with politics in Houston. Clint Stehle was by far one of the best bowlers houston ever had, but his demeaner of being a slob didn't get him with the right crowd of people that would be able to get him voted in, therefore he will probablt never get in even though he is no longer with us.
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Post by PBAHoFer on Feb 13, 2007 9:01:27 GMT -5
I will add that both hall of fames that I am in mean the same to me. Yes, it was probably harder to get into the International than the local Pasadena, but they are both very meaningful to me. I will never have the stats you have, but I did and still do give back to the associations, both Pasadena and the Knights of Columbus. As a matter of fact, I have been asked to be the guest speaker at the 2008 KC International tournament banquet in South Bend, IN. I have no earthly idea what I'm going to talk about yet, but i will put something together that will be both KC and bowling related. I will agree with David that Houston HofF is very political, but it would be just as meaningful to get in there as any other HofF. Yes, the larger the Association is the harder it is to get in, but it still has alot to do with politics in Houston. Clint Stehle was by far one of the best bowlers houston ever had, but his demeaner of being a slob didn't get him with the right crowd of people that would be able to get him voted in, therefore he will probablt never get in even though he is no longer with us. I agree with Whiner's remarks... I was thinking about my post and wanted to add that gauging or judging the value of prestige associated with recognition from a Hall of Fame or organization must be alot like trying to decide which of your children you love "more"... I don't have any kids, but I hear it's impossible to do... there may be different levels of pride associated with the recognition but with perfect it's not about an organization or even the accomplishments... it's just another notch. It gives him one more "bragging right" or "boasting point" to load into his life resume' to list for whomever he is trying to garner approval. I fdon't know if it's his bosses at work, his parents o who.. but somewhere someone has convinced the dude that he's a piece of crap and he thinks having the best job, the biggest house, the most honor scores and the most Hall of Fame memberships is going to get someone off of his a$$... I hope it works out for him.
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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 13, 2007 9:05:49 GMT -5
Well I think it should be obvious to both of you that Pasadena's Hall of Fame means a lot to me. If it didn't, I wouldn't be getting so upset over being passed up on 3 years in a row. Yes, I know there is politics involved in Houston and maybe State as well and who knows if I'll fair any better trying for those. Yes, I may have been harsh in some of my comments toward how some people in the Hall of Fame vote.
Honestly, after shooting (last year alone) 4-300's, 3-800's, 2-299's and one of them being in the Sport league (with 1 of my 300's being in Pasadena's City Tourn). and winning Pasadena's City Doubles event, setting a new City record for 4 member Mixed Team Game, and that game also being in the top 10 ever shot in ABC/USBC history, winning a MLBA Title at Diamond, winning the All-Star Tourn. this year and Winning Texas Mixed State All-Events..... I have to wonder what it will take for me to get in Pasadena's Hall of Fame. Obviously, it's not all performance based. And all of that was shot on top of an already accomplished career and good enough to get in before my last years performances. So, it leaves me to think that the Hall of Fame members has something personal against me. I'm not going to kiss butt or pay some kind of an homage to it's members or go around soliciting and rallying votes. If I felt I had to do that to get in, then it would make me feel that my credentials were weak and needed help.....So, if I seem critical of it's voters, maybe that is because they have been unfair with me....JMO...
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Post by MrPerfect on Feb 13, 2007 9:13:34 GMT -5
I will add that both hall of fames that I am in mean the same to me. Yes, it was probably harder to get into the International than the local Pasadena, but they are both very meaningful to me. I will never have the stats you have, but I did and still do give back to the associations, both Pasadena and the Knights of Columbus. As a matter of fact, I have been asked to be the guest speaker at the 2008 KC International tournament banquet in South Bend, IN. I have no earthly idea what I'm going to talk about yet, but i will put something together that will be both KC and bowling related. I will agree with David that Houston HofF is very political, but it would be just as meaningful to get in there as any other HofF. Yes, the larger the Association is the harder it is to get in, but it still has alot to do with politics in Houston. Clint Stehle was by far one of the best bowlers houston ever had, but his demeaner of being a slob didn't get him with the right crowd of people that would be able to get him voted in, therefore he will probablt never get in even though he is no longer with us. I agree with Whiner's remarks... I was thinking about my post and wanted to add that gauging or judging the value of prestige associated with recognition from a Hall of Fame or organization must be alot like trying to decide which of your children you love "more"... I don't have any kids, but I hear it's impossible to do... there may be different levels of pride associated with the recognition but with perfect it's not about an organization or even the accomplishments... it's just another notch. It gives him one more "bragging right" or "boasting point" to load into his life resume' to list for whomever he is trying to garner approval. I fdon't know if it's his bosses at work, his parents o who.. but somewhere someone has convinced the dude that he's a piece of crap and he thinks having the best job, the biggest house, the most honor scores and the most Hall of Fame memberships is going to get someone off of his a$$... I hope it works out for him. You are totally wrong in your interpretation of me.... and I don't need to justify the way I think to you or anybody... Maybe your right, I need to have a friend that will back me submitting my nomination next year instead of one that won't support me. I'll have someone else submit it next year....
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Post by PBAHoFer on Feb 13, 2007 10:12:42 GMT -5
I agree with Whiner's remarks... I was thinking about my post and wanted to add that gauging or judging the value of prestige associated with recognition from a Hall of Fame or organization must be alot like trying to decide which of your children you love "more"... I don't have any kids, but I hear it's impossible to do... there may be different levels of pride associated with the recognition but with perfect it's not about an organization or even the accomplishments... it's just another notch. It gives him one more "bragging right" or "boasting point" to load into his life resume' to list for whomever he is trying to garner approval. I fdon't know if it's his bosses at work, his parents o who.. but somewhere someone has convinced the dude that he's a piece of crap and he thinks having the best job, the biggest house, the most honor scores and the most Hall of Fame memberships is going to get someone off of his a$$... I hope it works out for him. You are totally wrong in your interpretation of me.... and I don't need to justify the way I think to you or anybody... Maybe your right, I need to have a friend that will back me submitting my nomination next year instead of one that won't support me. I'll have someone else submit it next year.... As I have said I hope it works out for you... you have a year to change the way people perceive you... Yes, they may not know you personally, and they may not know that you are full of BS most of the time, but your image needs rehabilitation... It's not about the scores.... You unforturnately are the Pete Rose of Pasadena Bowling. Do I think the reputation of the Pasadena Bowling Hall of Fame suffers because you are not in it... NOT YET... because the inductees that have been recognized before you are worthy and deserving of their place. At some point in time, the Hall of Fame becomes petty and a joke by excluding someone with your accomplishments. Similar to James Long, jr's situation. His resume' is as impressive as anyone's... he too has been passed over for several years.. I wonder if he has a computer?
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