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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 9, 2006 10:50:55 GMT -5
I have not been @ Diamond between squads as of yet. We left to eat Saturday, and I bowled/ worked @ Armadilla on Sunday. But it is I disagreeumption they are oiling the entire lane @ Diamond. Wine was there he could answer that for sure. They ran the entire lane at Diamond. But it's not to say they will do the same thing on the busy weekends when they have a full house. We had a good hour+ between squads each day. Well if they ran the whole lane between squads for Team Event at Diamond the first weekend, then they have to run the whole lane between squads for the remainder of the Tourn. to be fair. If the later squads have to start a little later, then they will just have to start a little later....Whatever was done, it must be done the same way for the remainder of the Tourn..... to be fair for everyone....
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Post by screwedntexas on Oct 9, 2006 11:00:31 GMT -5
I knew they were running a head shot by how fast they were doing it, the lane man didnt even take the time to wipe the approaches after he ran each lane. I wasnt really concerned with what they were putting out because that place is so easy it doesnt matter unless its a sport compliant shot. The shot was playable and reflected that, It did transition hardcore on the left lane and didnt do as much on the right. trap the ball in the middle and it would leave a wash out, push it right and it would scream back, you just had to ride the oil line to the break at the right spot. Used my trusty inferno the first three games.
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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 9, 2006 11:16:46 GMT -5
I knew they were running a head shot by how fast they were doing it, the lane man didnt even take the time to wipe the approaches after he ran each lane. I wasnt really concerned with what they were putting out because that place is so easy it doesnt matter unless its a sport compliant shot. The shot was playable and reflected that, It did transition hardcore on the left lane and didnt do as much on the right. trap the ball in the middle and it would leave a wash out, push it right and it would scream back, you just had to ride the oil line to the break at the right spot. Used my trusty inferno the first three games. With Arm I just pulling a coat over the lanes, the over and under you were seeing may have had more to do with the coating, than the oil being all the cause. They started doing the recoat on lanes 1 & 2 and that will be where your biggest inconsistency can be with the application of the coating, being that it's the first pair and it's a matter of working out the kinks in the application of it by the person doing it and depending how long it's been since he has done it last...JMO... I'm hoping by November that Arm I's lanes have gotten enough lineage to smooth out the coating and have an even better more consistent shot...
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Post by XBOM on Oct 9, 2006 14:20:20 GMT -5
With today's equipment, lane oils and lane surfaces to ensure equality and integrity of the Tourn in my opinion, the lanes should be ran fully between each squad of Team and D & S.....I feel sorry for those catching the later squads because they will not have as a scoreable shot as those that get to bowl first squads unless you are a lefty...JMO... They should have allowed more time between squads to oil the whole lane. Add more weekends if they have to, to allow this to happen.... Many people are going to spend money on travel, food, hotel and on bowling to come here and bowl this. And to get an unfair draw of squad times and shoot poor scores because of it, only serves to diminish entries of future State bowling events because of bad planning....JMO... perfect sometimes you make some pretty STOOPID comments #stupid# "Allow more time to run lanes between squads" You need to realize that this tournament is being run by volunteers who are giving up there weekends to help run this tournament for SIX WEEKS!!!!!! That means for a month and a half people with families and full time jobs are helping to insure people from ALL OVER THE STATEOF TEXAS ( not just Pasadena and Houston) are in our city to bowl. Scheduling more time between squads is not feasible because of time restraints from the Sunday night leagues at Armadilla at most of the people who are bowling have to travel hundreds of miles to return home to work the following day #smileys-gif-127_0# How would you like it if you had to be back Amarillo Sunday evening and you were in Pasadena until 6 p.m. with a 8 to 10 hour drive until you got home? #doh# Remember perfect this is MIXED STATE not your holier than thou USBC National Tournament #angel# I know you'll say you wouldn't go bowl a tournament if it was so far away but some people support there State Asscociation and go bowl their State Tournaments no matter where they are! Just like if you went to Oklahoma to bowl in one of your esteemed member/guest SASBA tournaments #party-smiley-017# If you had to drive from OK to Friendswood would you want to leave there at 6 p.m. and drive to Friendswood and still be at work on Monday morning? I didn't think so and not everybody has the luxury of your "CUSH" job where you could afford to fly to and from the tournament or better yet take Monday off after a long drive home #nutkick# Remember perfect time constraints are also put on by the center. I'm not to sure the Sunday Mixed League at Armadilla would like to take off six weeks so that the tournament could finish late every week just so in your mind everyone gets a fresh shot to maximize scoring! If the same procedure is used each week then noone has an unfair advantage than anyone else. Bowlers pick squad times that are convient for them as you did picking the squads with a fresh shot. But remember volunteers are running this tournament and they don't want to spend there entire weekend at a bowling center just like you don't want to be there all weekend either while your bowling. everyone has something better to do at any given time so it takes a special person to volunteer their time for tournaments. Just like when the elections were held you were either sick or playing golf somewhere #SmlyROFL# but a simple phone call telling someone that you couldn't be there probably would have been enough to get you elected to the new board of directors but since it wasn't that important to you you didn't make the call. David got to one of the centers Sunday morning at 6:50 A.M. And when I left to go to Armadilla 2 at 6 P.M. He wasn't home yet #help# That's a LONG day for a volunteer. So before you go spouting off on how a tournament is ran and there time schedules their having to use try and fathom how much time and effort it takes to run one of these tournaments. Not just bowl in it and haul a$$ as sonn as your squad is over so you can go somewhere and get a drink and brag about how good you are to anybody that will listen #nutkick# #SmlyROFL#
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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 9, 2006 14:43:02 GMT -5
With today's equipment, lane oils and lane surfaces to ensure equality and integrity of the Tourn in my opinion, the lanes should be ran fully between each squad of Team and D & S.....I feel sorry for those catching the later squads because they will not have as a scoreable shot as those that get to bowl first squads unless you are a lefty...JMO... They should have allowed more time between squads to oil the whole lane. Add more weekends if they have to, to allow this to happen.... Many people are going to spend money on travel, food, hotel and on bowling to come here and bowl this. And to get an unfair draw of squad times and shoot poor scores because of it, only serves to diminish entries of future State bowling events because of bad planning....JMO... perfect sometimes you make some pretty STOOPID comments #stupid# "Allow more time to run lanes between squads" You need to realize that this tournament is being run by volunteers who are giving up there weekends to help run this tournament for SIX WEEKS!!!!!! That means for a month and a half people with families and full time jobs are helping to insure people from ALL OVER THE STATEOF TEXAS ( not just Pasadena and Houston) are in our city to bowl. Scheduling more time between squads is not feasible because of time restraints from the Sunday night leagues at Armadilla at most of the people who are bowling have to travel hundreds of miles to return home to work the following day #smileys-gif-127_0# How would you like it if you had to be back Amarillo Sunday evening and you were in Pasadena until 6 p.m. with a 8 to 10 hour drive until you got home? #doh# Remember perfect this is MIXED STATE not your holier than thou USBC National Tournament #angel# I know you'll say you wouldn't go bowl a tournament if it was so far away but some people support there State Asscociation and go bowl their State Tournaments no matter where they are! Just like if you went to Oklahoma to bowl in one of your esteemed member/guest SASBA tournaments #party-smiley-017# If you had to drive from OK to Friendswood would you want to leave there at 6 p.m. and drive to Friendswood and still be at work on Monday morning? I didn't think so and not everybody has the luxury of your "CUSH" job where you could afford to fly to and from the tournament or better yet take Monday off after a long drive home #nutkick# Remember perfect time constraints are also put on by the center. I'm not to sure the Sunday Mixed League at Armadilla would like to take off six weeks so that the tournament could finish late every week just so in your mind everyone gets a fresh shot to maximize scoring! If the same procedure is used each week then noone has an unfair advantage than anyone else. Bowlers pick squad times that are convient for them as you did picking the squads with a fresh shot. But remember volunteers are running this tournament and they don't want to spend there entire weekend at a bowling center just like you don't want to be there all weekend either while your bowling. everyone has something better to do at any given time so it takes a special person to volunteer their time for tournaments. Just like when the elections were held you were either sick or playing golf somewhere #SmlyROFL# but a simple phone call telling someone that you couldn't be there probably would have been enough to get you elected to the new board of directors but since it wasn't that important to you you didn't make the call. David got to one of the centers Sunday morning at 6:50 A.M. And when I left to go to Armadilla 2 at 6 P.M. He wasn't home yet #help# That's a LONG day for a volunteer. So before you go spouting off on how a tournament is ran and there time schedules their having to use try and fathom how much time and effort it takes to run one of these tournaments. Not just bowl in it and haul a$$ as sonn as your squad is over so you can go somewhere and get a drink and brag about how good you are to anybody that will listen #nutkick# #SmlyROFL# First of all XBOM, if the Pasadena Assoc. and centers don't have the time or people to run this properly, then they should not have submitted a bid for the Mixed State Tourn. to come to Pasadena. And the people on the board now, wanted to serve and so they should all serve when it comes to running a State Tourn. like this. The paramont concern is the running of the Tourn. and the integrity of the Tourn., meaning the lane conditions, so it is ran fairly and smoothly and the houses and the Associations (Pasadena and State) have to work together to achieve this, regardless of how much time it takes by it's volunteers. Whinning about how much time volunteers who wanted to be on the Board spend, has no meaning to me. If the State Assoc. hears a lot of complaints from bowlers from the shot, the local Assoc. or whatever, they will never allow Pasadena to have another State Event.....Mens, Womens or Mixed...JMO....If you have volunteered to serve, then do whatever it takes to do the job right...JMO... I really didn't want to serve again, I just didn't have the time to do it the way it needed to be done. So I felt it best that I didn't seek another term.....Maybe at a later date and time allows, I'll seek to serve on the Board again....
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Post by XBOM on Oct 9, 2006 15:18:33 GMT -5
"First of all XBOM, if the Pasadena Assoc. and centers don't have the time or people to run this properly, then they should not have submitted a bid for the Mixed State Tourn. to come to Pasadena. And the people on the board now, wanted to serve and so they should all serve when it comes to running a State Tourn. like this. The paramont concern is the running of the Tourn. and the integrity of the Tourn., meaning the lane conditions, so it is ran fairly and smoothly and the houses and the Associations (Pasadena and State) have to work together to achieve this, regardless of how much time it takes by it's volunteers. Whinning about how much time volunteers who wanted to be on the Board spend, has no meaning to me. If the State Assoc. hears a lot of complaints from bowlers from the shot, the local Assoc. or whatever, they will never allow Pasadena to have another State Event.....Mens, Womens or Mixed...JMO....If you have volunteered to serve, then do whatever it takes to do the job right...JMO...
I really didn't want to serve again, I just didn't have the time to do it the way it needed to be done. So I felt it best that I didn't seek another term.....Maybe at a later date and time allows, I'll seek to serve on the Board again.... "
OK FIRST OFF THE ONLY PERSON I KNOW OF WHO BIATCHES ABOUT THE SHOT AT A TOURNAMENT WOULD PROBABLY BE YOU!!!!!!!!! WHY WOULD SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN AUSTIN OR BEYOND BIATCH ABOUT THE SHOT AT A CENTER THEY HAD NEVER BOWLED IN BEFORE? THAT SOUNDS LIKE PERFECT. I WONDER IF HE BIATCHES TO THE LANE MONITORS AT USBC NATIONALS WHEN HE BOWLS BAD OR IF THE SHOT SUX IN HIS OPINION! He probably does but come on perfect it's not league a condition that should be close to the same from week to week. We bowled State at Dart bowl this past summer and I had 57? I bowled there exactly 10 years ago in Mixed State and had 700 something both for singles and doubles. I guess only you would biatch because it wasn't the same shot 10 years apart! Get real perfect not all bowlers will boycot a State Tournament because they had a bad tournament in a certain city. Beaumont/Port Arthur has had Mixed State several times and have had record entries. Personally I've only been once but I did bowl good at the one house but not the other. I don't bowl good at Nationals but I still go every now and then just for the experience and to get out of town for a few days! If someone were to go to a National or a State Tournament and biatch about the shot they had to bowl on I personally would have to laugh at them #SmlyROFL# If this tournament wasn't in town at two houses you bowl or have bowled league at you wouldn't be biatching about the lane maintence procedure until after you bowled. I'm going to go to Armadilla 2 early tonight and make sure just the heads are ran on your pair tonight so that next time you bowl they will seem so much easier for you!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL #SmlyROFL# c ya tonight
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Post by WineUdotKing on Oct 9, 2006 15:21:30 GMT -5
No matter where you go for a State tournament, the local association will not have enough board members to run a tournament at 2 houses at the smae time, no matter how dedicated the association may be. The USBC only allows you to have a certain amount of staff on the board. Anyone else will have to be a NON-BOARD MEMBER "volunteer". That is why we put out the forms at both centers looking for "volunteers" to help out at the tournament. I go to USBC State or Nationals tournament and I don't remember them reoiling the lanes in between each and every squad. That's why you would pick the squad you wanted to bowl so you could get fresh oil. Even scratch tournaments don't oil between each and every squad. They do tell you which squads they will be oiling before. I guess that would be considered, IYO, unfair to all participants. It happens at every tournament I know of. If you can name a tournament that oils between each and every squad, please let us know.
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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 9, 2006 15:21:56 GMT -5
Also, XBOM makes the participants sound as though we are giving donations to the State and Local Assoc. by when he said "support the assoc." that's what giving donations are about, supporting..... This is a Tourn. with prestige. People bowl this event for several reasons, some just like to bowl, some like the travel but most bowl it because of the competition and want a fair shot and chance as everyone else does. They should not be penalized with a less score-able shot because of the squad time they wish to bowl because they have to leave early or late or for whatever the reason is.... This is a Tourn of skill, not a charitable organization taking donations....JMO...
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Post by screwedntexas on Oct 9, 2006 15:24:41 GMT -5
Is there anyway to band perfect from future tournys?
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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 9, 2006 15:35:18 GMT -5
No matter where you go for a State tournament, the local association will not have enough board members to run a tournament at 2 houses at the smae time, no matter how dedicated the association may be. The USBC only allows you to have a certain amount of staff on the board. Anyone else will have to be a NON-BOARD MEMBER "volunteer". That is why we put out the forms at both centers looking for "volunteers" to help out at the tournament. I go to USBC State or Nationals tournament and I don't remember them re oiling the lanes in between each and every squad. That's why you would pick the squad you wanted to bowl so you could get fresh oil. Even scratch tournaments don't oil between each and every squad. They do tell you which squads they will be oiling before. I guess that would be considered, IYO, unfair to all participants. It happens at every tournament I know of. If you can name a tournament that oils between each and every squad, please let us know. Mens State last year oiled before Team and D & S for each squad. Nationals oils before Team event of every squad. Now for D & S, they are only fresh at the 7:00 am squad in the morning and the oil times are posted but the bowlers do not always get the squad they request.... besides, at Nationals, it's best not to bowl on a fresh shot, because the shot becomes more scoreable after the track is broken down..... But you can't compare Nationals to State or local events. The oiling machines and personnel running and deciding of the shot know more how to do it than most all other State or Local Assoc..... Also, SASBA oils before each Squad. But the point I'm trying to make here is, most houses these days sets up their lane machine for a 3 game condition for leagues.... Now if the houses are not changing anything with the shot in consideration for the longer time in the light and more games.... Then the people bowling on them after th first three games will have a severely lessen scoreable lane condition to bowl on.... Now if the houses are going to juice up the oil a bit for the Tourn. shot, then not oiling between squads will not be that bad of a difference than what the normal house shot is causing. And USBC recommended the amount of members for the local Assocs. it was not dictated.....
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Post by XBOM on Oct 9, 2006 15:36:01 GMT -5
As for him biatching about the long day he didn't say anything to me about it. IMO if the State Association wanted to delegate the shot they should have done so and not consulted the houses on how many times they wanted to run the lanes. It already has been stated how the lanes are being ran so they will be done that way the entire tournament. And it's not always about the local association and it's volunteers. It's also about the centers holding the tournament. It makes for a long week working a normal work week and then having to work extra hours on the weekend to try and ensure a good tournament experience for all the bowlers. and the last thing they want to hear is a bowler who thinks they are god's gift to the game that the shot sucked for them and they bowled bad. But I would have to say out of the all the bowlers that are bowling this tournament and there are over 2000 of them in six weeks the number of people who biatch about the shot will be less than .10 percent of the total of the bowlers that will go through the centers in the next 6 weeks.. IMHO
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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 9, 2006 15:38:18 GMT -5
Is there anyway to band perfect from future tournys? In a word... NO.....lol...
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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 9, 2006 15:41:35 GMT -5
As for him biatching about the long day he didn't say anything to me about it. IMO if the State Association wanted to delegate the shot they should have done so and not consulted the houses on how many times they wanted to run the lanes. It already has been stated how the lanes are being ran so they will be done that way the entire tournament. And it's not always about the local association and it's volunteers. It's also about the centers holding the tournament. It makes for a long week working a normal work week and then having to work extra hours on the weekend to try and ensure a good tournament experience for all the bowlers. and the last thing they want to hear is a bowler who thinks they are god's gift to the game that the shot sucked for them and they bowled bad. But I would have to say out of the all the bowlers that are bowling this tournament and there are over 2000 of them in six weeks the number of people who biatch about the shot will be less than .10 percent of the total of the bowlers that will go through the centers in the next 6 weeks.. IMHO I sure hope you are right..... I'm just giving my opinion on the subject... I'm not biatching...
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Post by PBAHoFer on Oct 9, 2006 15:58:57 GMT -5
Just for the record:
Ouida Johnson from Sherman, TX hates lanes 1/ 2 @ Armadilla in Pasadena, TX.
She was afraid she was going to fall off the slope on lane 1 to the sidewalk.
In response to mr. perfect's take that higher scores are obtained when the lanes are oiled before each squad:
Mrs. Jane Ruyhle of Sherman, TX thinks the lanes were way too slick.
Bottom line is you can't please everyone with any circumstance or situation.
You survey your houses and find out what they want to do with the lanes... you schedule your tournament based on entries and lanes available.
You request volunteers to lane monitor and help with selling pictures, souvenirs raffles, whatever...
You express gratitude and provide some sort of luncheon or something to express your thanks.
Then, you wait for the next event to provide your membership the chance to participate in...
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Post by XBOM on Oct 9, 2006 16:01:47 GMT -5
No matter where you go for a State tournament, the local association will not have enough board members to run a tournament at 2 houses at the smae time, no matter how dedicated the association may be. The USBC only allows you to have a certain amount of staff on the board. Anyone else will have to be a NON-BOARD MEMBER "volunteer". That is why we put out the forms at both centers looking for "volunteers" to help out at the tournament. I go to USBC State or Nationals tournament and I don't remember them re oiling the lanes in between each and every squad. That's why you would pick the squad you wanted to bowl so you could get fresh oil. Even scratch tournaments don't oil between each and every squad. They do tell you which squads they will be oiling before. I guess that would be considered, IYO, unfair to all participants. It happens at every tournament I know of. If you can name a tournament that oils between each and every squad, please let us know. Mens State last year oiled before Team and D & S for each squad. Nationals oils before Team event of every squad. Now for D & S, they are only fresh at the 7:00 am squad in the morning and the oil times are posted but the bowlers do not always get the squad they request.... besides, at Nationals, it's best not to bowl on a fresh shot, because the shot becomes more scoreable after the track is broken down..... But you can't compare Nationals to State or local events. The oiling machines and personnel running and deciding of the shot know more how to do it than most all other State or Local Assoc..... Also, SASBA oils before each Squad. But the point I'm trying to make here is, most houses these days sets up their lane machine for a 3 game condition for leagues.... Now if the houses are not changing anything with the shot in consideration for the longer time in the light and more games.... Then the people bowling on them after th first three games will have a severely lessen scoreable lane condition to bowl on.... Now if the house are going to juice up the oil a bit for the Tourn. shot, then not oiling between squads will not be that bad of a difference than what the normal house shot is causing. And USBC recommended the amount of members for the local Assocs. it was not dictated..... Perfect how many weeks is State? Early April until the end of June sometimes it even goes into July!!!!!!!!! That gives you alot more weeks to put bowlers on the lanes. Sure they have alot more entries than Mixed State. But still the point being if this year's Mixed State would have had a record amount of entries they still would NOT have had as many weeks that is alotted to Men's State!!!!! Plus every Tournament needs some kind of volunteer help. And some bowlers volunteer part of there time to help local associations run tournaments. I remember during the last PWBA event we had at Diamond when I worked there Diamond employees and volunteers along with the local associations did everything not involved with the actual running of the tournament. Volunteers worked the door, the souvineer booth, the house also runs the pro ams. The only thing that the PWBA did was announce the pros everything else was done by center employees and volunteers. Maybe if you volunteered to help run a few tournaments or gave up a few weekends you would have abetter understanding of what we're trying to tell you!!! Personally I work Fridy nights and don't get home until around 4 a.m. Saturday mornings. and I work saturday nights and don't get home until around 5 a.m. on Sunday mornings. But I still plan to get to the center at least a few Sundays hopefully on the ones that are the busiest to help them out. I've been through a Mixed State at Armadilla 2 about 5 years ago so I pretty much know what's being done by the local association the volunteers and the center employees. It's a long 6 weekends and it takes dedication to run and volunteer one of these tournaments. Trust me it takes alot more dedication to "HELP" someone run a tournament than it does to biatch about how it's being done and how "YOU" would have done it differently! Take my word for it until you done it it's easy to biatch about it. After you've done it it's alot harder to biatch about it because you know what the volunteers, the local association, and the center employees are doing to try and ensure "JOE BOWLER" has a good time and enjoys his visit to our City and local centers. bom
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